I went back to check hepatocyte, I have not seen any evidence based points from you. What I did see was:
A whatabout that seemed like it was supposed to be a 'gotcha' about females taking hormones and medications while breastfeeding. You then brought it up as that gotcha by saying this was transphobic:
ignoring the fact that many women take synthetic hormones whilst breastfeeding, and that adoptive mothers have used this protocol previously. As I've said - I would be intersted to know how the levels of synthetic hormones compare, but if that are comparable then we have a lot of safety data.
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If you know it's common for woman to take synthetic hormones when breastfeeding, don't you think this is the kind of evidence that should be considered when thinking about the safety aspects? Are the hormones & doses comparable? Are risks between woman & transwoman likely to be similar? I just think it's a very relevant point when many posters seem to be claiming this is completely new ground (i.e., babies being exposed to synthethic hormones via breastmilk).
You acknowledge that synthetic hormones and many other substances in the milk produced by lactating females have been well studied, but continue to not bring any evidence relating to the milk of transitioned males to support your continued assertion that we should be using the same studies to deduce what the impact is for lactating males.
You agreeing that it is not essential for the infant. But then in the very next sentence you launch into transphobia and echo chambers.
But the thread is full of transphobia - so many arguments that aren't evidence or science based and a huge amount of derogatory claims. I agree with other posters about it seeming like an echo chamber here and I feel for any transpeople who look at these threads.
I'd like to make a correction here - we are discussing males specifically. Transitioned females who still have breast tissue and have gone through pregnancy to deliver a child should definitely receive extensive support to breastfeed if they wish to. Just like ANY other female.
Then some bad takes of other posts including
-the continued push to try to censure posters for correcting sexing the sex class people who the thread is discussing - male and calling it transphobic.
-Ignoring the continued discussion about the lack of knowledge around the resultant secretions of these males undergoing this process, to bring in a completely ludicrous claim that stating that we would prefer the child be fed milk from another mammal, including cows which most of these infants will receive soon enough anyway, but that cow milk is absolutely known and studied for its suitability for human infant consumption is also transphobic.
-posters refusing to use the term 'milk' for the secretion of unknown chemical make up is also transphobic.
And so on.
Indeed, why is anything that is not in agreement with your views considering derailing? I think this is why the thread gets called an echo chamber.
No. But continuing to call this board an 'echo chamber', using false examples as 'transphobia' and not presenting any evidence to support your claims IS derailing and it seems you have some pretty strong prejudiced views towards posters on this board for your first post on this thread.
Looking forward though to that evidence linked up or some expert rebuttal of links that I and others have posted.
Now, that would result in some interesting discussion and some serious thought provoking posts.