Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 7

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

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“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Great point by BC based on internal GCC emails, that GCC were motivated to put out the tweet announcing the investigation of AB to help their reputation.

Seems to be answering honestly & promptly, so far.

Yes, that's why she's in the big box rather than BC

Zofia Darmas owns up to being the phantom typist.

Someone has logged in as LiesDoNotBecomeUs

This name came up earlier in the tribunal and was challenged and the judge didn't really say they couldn't use it then, she just said people needed to be neutral, but I don't think she saw a particular problem with that name.

I think they all come across as quite reasonable at first.

Xenia · 18/05/2022 13:51

Businesses like to virtue signal these days by adopting all kinds of causes which usually is pretty harmless - save the whale, equal rights for women but the trans issue is more complicated and in my view they are better off just concentrating on making profits.

Trying to do the right thing is not virtue signalling, it is trying to do the right thing. Being explicitly anti-racist and support racist causes is doing the right thing.

IMHO there is only one problem here. That problem is that people have gone from supporting near-universally regarded truths (racism is bad, hungry children need feeding etc), and allowed themselves to be tricked / conned into supporting things which are not universally supported. This is in part down to a disgraceful dishonest charity that has thrown it's sole cause under a bus and replaced it with another cause, whilst claiming to support both.

The problem is not that companies are trying to do the right thing by supporting causes which we all agree are good. IMO.

Just got back from Lidl.

Have I missed much?

How long were you in there?!

We've gone from "racism is bad" to "racism is bad so we must support everything promoted by the BLM (the organisation)".

It's been a wild ride today, Gabcskia!

😂

And not just are we the baddies,in this case, but were we stupid? Were we gullible? Did we have a complete failure of logic, reasoning and intellect?

Because barristers in particular make their reputation from their intellect - their ability to rationally and logically reason through anything put in front of them, no matter how complex. It's absolutely part of their sense of self worth and value.

To be found to have failed at that, and at such a burn-the-house-down kind of level, would really be very difficult to come to terms with.

MHL basically said that her initial 'HR' response to the twitter complaints was to suggest that Chambers ignore them and it would go away.

Perhaps if they had listened to her none of them would be sat here now.

Oh I see where he's going ..l

Completely agree @tabbycatstripy

Interesting - getting to the crux of 'what constitutes a complaint' according to GCC policy.

GCC have not excuse as to why they Tweeted about AB. They shouldn't have done it and had never done it before.

They are in breach of their own policy.

There’s a best selling book in there somewhere

Yes, that's got to be galling. No wonder they're all so fuming.

LOL at the email where MHL confirms that GCC should ignore anonymous complaints. More evidence of MHL at the time trying to put the lid on vexatious complaints. As exwhyzed wrote, if only GCC had listened...

How long were you in there?!
@IdisagreeMrHochhauser
Oh just for lunchtime. I missed the first 20 odd minutes of the afternoon session.

Seems to be answering honestly & promptly, so far.
@dworky

They all start off that way, don't they?

I like her answering style so far. Direct, clear.

EJ looks tired.