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Matt Walsh Thinks He's Leading the Woman's Movement

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Delphinium20 · 16/05/2022 18:24

I've seen a lot of respected feminist posters excited about this documentary, which on its own may contain useful content. But I want to ask, why promote a misogynist just because he has the right talking points on gender ideology? Women are about to lose abortion rights in my country. Matt Walsh has said women who are pro-choice are "repulsive."

twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/1521549440406155264?s=21&t=ItXp9--3s8_3_0S8LFNc9w

I urge you to check out this thread on Ovarit where women have documented all the work feminists have been doing already, and how Walsh ignores us. Walsh sees this GC issue not through feminist eyes, but as a way to push his own brand and claim himself leader of this issue. Please stop falling for it.

ovarit.com/o/Radfemmery/91809/matt-walsh-is-literal-proof-of-male-privilege-you-re-not-a-savior-and-many-women

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Delphinium20 · 17/05/2022 19:55

Honestly, please go to the Ovarit thread I mentioned...it's cool and full of women who are doing loads of good work.

For those who worry I'm a TRA, check out my MN history...

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AlisonDonut · 17/05/2022 20:06

user1471504747 · 17/05/2022 19:02

It’s not a one off slightly bad thing he did 10 years ago, it’s his current very damaging, deluded beliefs.

Plenty of people aren’t nice people because of their beliefs and past actions.

Of course he might be a nice person, or some people might be willing to overlook all of that to believe he’s a nice person. But that goes for plenty of not nice people, if you overlook the bad bits they’re all nice. Some peoples bad qualities can’t be overlooked. To me Tucker Carlson is one of them. You might be able to overlook all this and believe he’s a nice person and you are absolutely free to do so.

So is there a list of approved people that women are allowed to speak to?

SamReiver · 17/05/2022 20:12

Delphinium20 · 17/05/2022 19:44

You're right that gun violence is multi-faceted in the US, but our access to and limited regulation allows nutjobs access...and the right thwarts gun regulation.

The data asserts that far-right white supremacy is the number one domestic terrorist threat facing our country. www.reuters.com/world/us/white-supremacist-groups-pose-rising-us-threat-garland-says-2021-05-12/

Yes, number one terrorist threat, but still a very minor part of gun deaths overall.

If you want to bring race and / or sex into the question then black men are the main perpetrators and victims of gun crime overall and gun homicide in the US on a per-capita basis.

flygirl1983 · 17/05/2022 20:15

He's a sexist but not a misogynist. Much like my father was. He is on the side of women "being private property" and not "public property." I think we should use his work only so far as it benefits us.

NotBadConsidering · 17/05/2022 20:18

@Delphinium20

I asked three simple questions on the first page:

Matt Walsh thinks a woman is an adult human female. Do you agree with him?

Matt Walsh thinks children should not be given puberty blockers. Do you agree with him?

Matt Walsh thinks males should not be in women’s sport. Do you agree with him?

user1471504747 · 17/05/2022 20:21

AlisonDonut · 17/05/2022 20:06

So is there a list of approved people that women are allowed to speak to?

Yes that is exactly what I said and also a brilliant example of reading comprehension 👏

Delphinium20 · 17/05/2022 20:34

NotBadConsidering · 17/05/2022 20:18

@Delphinium20

I asked three simple questions on the first page:

Matt Walsh thinks a woman is an adult human female. Do you agree with him?

Matt Walsh thinks children should not be given puberty blockers. Do you agree with him?

Matt Walsh thinks males should not be in women’s sport. Do you agree with him?

Yes. Yes. And, yes.

But I suppose Putin agrees with all of us on those three questions too, but I'm not promoting his GC propaganda, am I?

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NotBadConsidering · 17/05/2022 20:50

Yes. Yes. And, yes.

And what has happened as a result of this agreement? Have you started wearing a MAGA hat? Do you have an uncontrollable urge to seek out an abortion clinic to firebomb? No. You’re still the same person.

But I suppose Putin agrees with all of us on those three questions too, but I'm not promoting his GC propaganda, am I?

So Walsh’s film is “GC propaganda”? What does that even mean?!

But why do you think you or anyone else watching it will do anything other than agree with its content in the same way you agree with those three simple questions?

MalagaNights · 17/05/2022 21:00

I'm familiar with Matt Walsh's views and current USA politics, & seek content from a variety of sources, and I disagree with you.

I don't think he's a misogynist or supports white supremacy. I do think he takes a very conservative position on issues but all within the bounds of acceptable opinions to hold, even if you disagree.

I don't agree with him on everything, and I do find him aggressive and judgemental at times towards people on the other side.

From your use here of slurs suggesting a motivation of hatred towards and black people & women I also judge you to be similarly extreme and tribal.

You are perfectly entitled to your view of Matt Walsh but should accept reasonable people may disagree and continue to engage with his content.

I believe the type of polarisation you want to sow here is the biggest danger to the US currently.

MichelleScarn · 17/05/2022 21:12

But I suppose Putin agrees with all of us on those three questions too, but I'm not promoting his GC propaganda, am I?

Does Godwin's Law need updated? 🤔

AlisonDonut · 17/05/2022 21:31

Yes that is exactly what I said and also a brilliant example of reading comprehension 👏

No I said that. You evidently disagree with women talking to some men so who are they allowed to speak to?

Left wing media ain't interested in any way. So that leaves...who?

MalagaNights · 17/05/2022 21:32

Would it reassure you at all if I promise that if Matt Walsh ever becomes a dictator who invades a peaceful country, or if he's ever the perpetrator in a mass shooting, I'll never link his videos here again?

MichelleScarn · 17/05/2022 21:45

Too late @MalagaNights hast thou not learned, thou shalst be judged forever more for any action/thought. No takesy backseys ever.... 👩‍⚖️

user1471504747 · 17/05/2022 21:49

AlisonDonut · 17/05/2022 21:31

Yes that is exactly what I said and also a brilliant example of reading comprehension 👏

No I said that. You evidently disagree with women talking to some men so who are they allowed to speak to?

Left wing media ain't interested in any way. So that leaves...who?

Do I evidently disagree? Whoever can talk to whoever they need to or want to. AFAIK it’s a free country in that regard, and none of my business.

Im not sure how me saying I don’t think Tucker Carolson is a nice person due to his beliefs that I personally am not willing to overlook, means that no one is allowed to talk to him. I even said people are free to overlook his beliefs if they wish. There’s plenty that actively agree with many of his beliefs.

Please tell me where I said no one should agree with him, believe he is a nice person, talk to him, or anything similar. I’ve only said my only personal thoughts and beliefs about him. This thread isn’t even about him!

Delphinium20 · 17/05/2022 21:50

So Walsh’s film is “GC propaganda”? What does that even mean?!

It's his brand of GC...it's not feminism. The propaganda is Walsh's brand, which promotes a conservative view of the patriarchy, gun rights and libertarianism.

But why do you think you or anyone else watching it will do anything other than agree with its content in the same way you agree with those three simple questions?

I am concerned that it thwarts our ability to be taken seriously by the left..the group that needs persuading.

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Delphinium20 · 17/05/2022 21:53

MalagaNights · 17/05/2022 21:00

I'm familiar with Matt Walsh's views and current USA politics, & seek content from a variety of sources, and I disagree with you.

I don't think he's a misogynist or supports white supremacy. I do think he takes a very conservative position on issues but all within the bounds of acceptable opinions to hold, even if you disagree.

I don't agree with him on everything, and I do find him aggressive and judgemental at times towards people on the other side.

From your use here of slurs suggesting a motivation of hatred towards and black people & women I also judge you to be similarly extreme and tribal.

You are perfectly entitled to your view of Matt Walsh but should accept reasonable people may disagree and continue to engage with his content.

I believe the type of polarisation you want to sow here is the biggest danger to the US currently.

I have not once used any slurs here. I quoted two respected, mainstream views (NYTimes and Chuck Schumer -neither extreme) on the connections between white supremacy, Replacement Theory, Tucker Carlson and the latest mass shooting that killed ten people.

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Delphinium20 · 17/05/2022 22:07

I believe the type of polarisation you want to sow here is the biggest danger to the US currently

Feminism's biggest threat in the US is firstly from our right (abortion) and secondly from our left (gender ideology). Persuading the left that gender ideology harms women is a goal for many feminists in my country primarily because we know the right isn't our ally...but the left might be if properly persuaded (we have no viable alternate choices). We like to point to countries where feminism has stood up to gender ideology and we like to use resources like, "Hey, read Helen Joyce, check out Mumsnet!" I fucking praise you UK feminists all the time, so ffs, give me some respect back (can't tell you how many times I've pitched American MSM and referenced FWR).

The Matt Walshes and Tucker Carlsons are a thorn in our side...and when you take offense instead of listening to our struggles it's madly frustrating. I'd be on YOUR side if you asked me to help...that's what I'm asking...if it's an American conservative man, please consider the source and don't give him oxygen.

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MalagaNights · 17/05/2022 22:12

Just because the NYT and Chuck Schumer say something doesn't make it any less extreme than if the Daily Wire or Ben Shapiro say it.

All are extremely partisan.
Ask Bari Weiss.

And of course misogynist is a slur as is suggesting some one supports white supremacy. Unless you think hating women and black people is not heinous?

You appear to think because you believe something, it's true or neutral.
I'm afraid that's not how it works.

Just to really blow your mind here I'm linking to Ben Shapiro's take on the points your making.

And if you're genuinely interested in understanding other's viewpoints instead of ascribing abhorrent intentions to them, you could read what the right is saying about the Great Replacement Theory. Their accusations of the lefts motives are equally extreme.

But I doubt you will.
You seem very certain in your game of goodies and baddies.

twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1526170938563256320?t=rFOYgn6W2BtWY55hxFvYwQ&s=09

twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1526171155895406593?t=1JHta3DqRTcn4HdGdJkmzw&s=19

MalagaNights · 17/05/2022 22:15

I'm on Matt Walsh's side and your side on Trans issues.

I'm on neither Matt Walsh's side nor your side on abortion.

That's all I can offer you I'm afraid, I fail your purity test.

MichelleScarn · 17/05/2022 22:17

.if it's an American conservative man, please consider the source and don't give him oxygen.

What about anything? Again you think because someone votes a political way they are not entitled to be listened to?

Floisme · 17/05/2022 22:38

Persuading the left that gender ideology harms women is a goal for many feminists in my country primarily because we know the right isn't our ally...but the left might be if properly persuaded

Maybe that's the difference between us - I think that's pointless and, while I don’t pretend to understand US politics, I admit I find the loyalty to the democrats quite baffling considering how they’re screwing you over at the moment.

I guess a lot of UK GC feminists, and certainly me included, no longer consider either the left or the right to be our allies. I don't believe either can be trusted with women's rights and I've begun to think the only way forward is for women on the right and left to put aside our differences and, where there is common ground, work together.

It sounds like that would be impossible in the US however.

I can understand why you feel emotional (I think that was the word you used) at the moment. It must be hard. But women on here are not your enemy.

I will read the Ovarit links.

And of course you're not a TRA you've been on here for ages 😀Although, in fairness, I think the advanced search facility is buggered at the moment so not everyone may know that.

nolongersurprised · 17/05/2022 22:41

Shutting down voices “because right wing” is how the Democrats will lose. look at Loudoun county - and if I recall correctly it was Matt Walsh and the Daily Wire that exposed that as well.

I don’t see it as me “agreeing with” and “aligning” myself with others over gender ideology. I see it as the left has lost its mind.

nolongersurprised · 17/05/2022 22:44

Bearing in mind as well that gender ideology was created and nurtured by the left, they won’t give it up in favour of women.

The left hates women too, Matt Walsh may be “no friend to women” but at least he can name them.

MichelleScarn · 17/05/2022 22:48

nolongersurprised · 17/05/2022 22:44

Bearing in mind as well that gender ideology was created and nurtured by the left, they won’t give it up in favour of women.

The left hates women too, Matt Walsh may be “no friend to women” but at least he can name them.

100% this. Am sick of the 'how dare you not toe the lines and do and believe what we've said!, look you've been told they are baddies, look away and close your ears and mind to anything other than we tell you is ok'

nolongersurprised · 17/05/2022 22:59

If I was in the US after Loudoun County I would never trust Democrats again. And to top it off, the when it was finally admitted that yes, a girl had been sodomised by a boy in a skirt, the Washington Post wrote a slut-shaming article about the girl’s sexual history.

The Left hate and are vile to women as well, don’t delude yourself that they just need to educate themselves or be persuaded.

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