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Matt Walsh Thinks He's Leading the Woman's Movement

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Delphinium20 · 16/05/2022 18:24

I've seen a lot of respected feminist posters excited about this documentary, which on its own may contain useful content. But I want to ask, why promote a misogynist just because he has the right talking points on gender ideology? Women are about to lose abortion rights in my country. Matt Walsh has said women who are pro-choice are "repulsive."

twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/1521549440406155264?s=21&t=ItXp9--3s8_3_0S8LFNc9w

I urge you to check out this thread on Ovarit where women have documented all the work feminists have been doing already, and how Walsh ignores us. Walsh sees this GC issue not through feminist eyes, but as a way to push his own brand and claim himself leader of this issue. Please stop falling for it.

ovarit.com/o/Radfemmery/91809/matt-walsh-is-literal-proof-of-male-privilege-you-re-not-a-savior-and-many-women

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Cailleach1 · 07/06/2022 13:19

Forcier, not Fournier!

nauticant · 07/06/2022 13:31

It's on Odysee user1471504747, using the search terms matt walsh woman. Keep in mind that many people object strongly to Odysee, containing as it does content of all sorts from the US Right. For example, it's not the best place to find your Covid health information.

IloveHolby · 07/06/2022 13:35

Thanks for this thread - I was hoping to watch it, but didn't know anything about Matt Walsh, I was just unsure about subscribing to a US Right Wing website - knowing what's gone on with the loss of rights to abortion I don't want to be supporting them in any way. I will watch it out of interest but I'll wait till it appears on YouTube or something for free.

IloveHolby · 07/06/2022 13:35

This thread helped me make my mind up not to subscribe by the way.

IloveHolby · 07/06/2022 13:37

@nauticant it's been taken off Odysee for infringing copyright

nauticant · 07/06/2022 13:39

It's currently on that site IloveHolby. I suspect that it's being put up then taken down, then put up by someone else, and so depending on when you look for it, it might or might not be there.

user1471504747 · 07/06/2022 13:46

nauticant · 07/06/2022 13:39

It's currently on that site IloveHolby. I suspect that it's being put up then taken down, then put up by someone else, and so depending on when you look for it, it might or might not be there.

Thanks nauticant, I’ll see if I can find it!

MangyInseam · 07/06/2022 14:18

Cailleach1 · 07/06/2022 13:17

It would be interesting to ask M Fournier why they suddenly changed their tune from allowing children who aren't 'gender conforming' to just be themselves, rather than medicalising them.

On the 'Conservative Right' issue: someone said there wasn't really an equivalent in the UK. But, I think there is in NI. They even sit in the Parliament in Westminster.

I'm finding it a little tricky to pin down his politics enough to compare him to anyone in particular. He's described as being on the right, but that can mean a few different things, especially for a Catholic - they tend to have some significant differences to evangelicals on the right. I can find lists of causes he has opinions on, but it's difficult to see what his real arguments are. His own comments are difficult to interpret because so many seem to be either tongue in cheek or deliberately stirring the pot.

babyjellyfish · 07/06/2022 14:19

MangyInseam · 07/06/2022 14:18

I'm finding it a little tricky to pin down his politics enough to compare him to anyone in particular. He's described as being on the right, but that can mean a few different things, especially for a Catholic - they tend to have some significant differences to evangelicals on the right. I can find lists of causes he has opinions on, but it's difficult to see what his real arguments are. His own comments are difficult to interpret because so many seem to be either tongue in cheek or deliberately stirring the pot.

A 21st century Jacob Rees Mogg?

Musicalfish · 07/06/2022 14:27

echobeech · 07/06/2022 08:59

I've just seen this tweet, he's laughing in our faces now. The video was OK, not great and he cribbed most of the best ideas from British feminists without credit.

And for that reason i'm out

What is a woman?
Matt Walsh: "Someone whose body I think I have a right to control"

Cailleach1 · 07/06/2022 15:17

Musicalfish · 07/06/2022 14:27

What is a woman?
Matt Walsh: "Someone whose body I think I have a right to control"

And yet, the unbelievably batty stuff in this film comes from self-identified 'progressives'. They seem to be at the forefront of this assault on the safety, privacy, dignity and very equality of women.

echobeech · 07/06/2022 16:00

Musicalfish · 07/06/2022 14:27

What is a woman?
Matt Walsh: "Someone whose body I think I have a right to control"

Commander Walsh

Matt Walsh Thinks He's Leading the Woman's Movement
MangyInseam · 07/06/2022 16:12

babyjellyfish · 07/06/2022 14:19

A 21st century Jacob Rees Mogg?

Maybe?

FOJN · 08/06/2022 07:34

His own comments are difficult to interpret because so many seem to be either tongue in cheek or deliberately stirring the pot.

I agree. I've been watching a few more clips from his YouTube channel and he clearly loves trolling so it's difficult to determine what he really thinks.

Thank you to the PP who gave instructions for how to find the documentary on Odysee, I watched it last night and I thought it was quite well done.

Clearly we know he has a bias but I think it would have taken some very charitable editing to make some of the people interviewed look sane. I found the gender affirming therapist and paediatrician most frightening, they looked and spoke like members of a cult.

There wasn't a lot of new information for me, although I did not know the full extent of Kinsey's depravity, but it will be shocking for anyone who isn't aware of what is happening.

It is the most successful content the Daily Wire has ever produced and Matt Walsh's YouTube channel has acquired half a million new subscribers since the release of this documentary. It's hard to know how many of them new subscribers share Walsh's conservative views but I think if you are being gaslit on a grand scale then the opinions of someone you would usually disagree with can feel like a sanctuary if they are at least coherent.

nauticant · 08/06/2022 08:28

My thoughts:

The opening with its fixed adherence to gender stereotypes is incredibly cringeworthy. In fact, through the whole thing, whenever a "normal" girl is deliberately put in front of the camera she is dressed in pink. The value in this documentary is when you get onto where people with authority speak for themselves, that's where the action is. Walsh is mostly annoying, scoring points, or presenting half-baked notions. He would do well to focus on material reality and to drop his insistence that the "truth" is his way of looking at the world, while others' versions of the "truth" are wrong, that's playing the same game as the progressives' "my truth/your truth".

The most significant substance is watching Chicken Lady, Michelle Fourcier, put forward her views. She appears a number of times and it's only in one of those segments that she goes on about chickens. Her views are mental. I'd like to think that she got on the bus and it's now going too fast for her to get off so she has to carry on, but no, I think she genuinely believes what she says such as babies being born with a gender identity. This would presumably be simulaneously immutable and infinitely fluid. Looking at her and the other ideologues, they believe that in order for a child to go through healthy development, they must be made to think about their own gender identity and "gender journey" from the earliest possible age. It is terrifying. But I'm failing here to do justice to Fourcier, what she says has to be seen to be believed. It would be fascinating to see Walsh release the whole interview he did with her.

One theme that emerges from the ideologues, and, particularly, from #bekind members of the public Walsh talks to, is that if someone tells you something about their identity you must believe it and accept it. At this point I would have welcomed a straightforward question like "If someone said they owned your house and didn't want you in it, would you believe and accept that?" This point is often missed: who cares if someone believes something about themselves that's clearly untrue, the key is whether it leads to a conflct of rights.

Overall, when the ideologues are challenged, the response is either a non-answer or ideological hogwash. Although it's possible all of their sensible comments were left on the cutting-room floor.

If you watch it and filter out Walsh and his facile approach and questions, then having the ideologues explain themselves is pure sunlight. This brings me to my main point, I don't care if we've seen most of it before, I don't care if Walsh's style and ways of presenting the stories are not as we would have them, for me I want a wide variety of ways of looking at what's going on going to different and diverse audiences. As a result of Walsh's documentary, many people will see for the first time what's going on, and they will be horrified. I want people of all kinds to stand up and say there's something wrong going on, and not have a filtering process that removes many of those voices because their owners are the wrong kind of people or the words they're using to object don't fit properly with my own views.

MangyInseam · 08/06/2022 14:04

I also hoped a few times that he might talk a little less about "the truth" and ask some other questions - for example that sociologist who became so angry, and IMO almost seemed the craziest of the bunch - I wanted him to say, fine, as a sociologist you aren't interested in something objective, but how do you feel academic theiries like yours should work when we get into concrete things like the law, sports, etc?

However, I do think there is something to be said for being pretty simple and letting the responses to simple questions speak for themselves. And I also think he was focusing on the idea that there is truth because he sees that as being part of the problem. The reason that alot of this has come to pass is that people have lost sight of the fact that there are objective realities, even if we don't know what they are in some cases, it's important to realize that is what we are trying to discover. He's dressed it up to make the film have a hook, which I don't always like, but I think it's a valid point.

I always wonder too what gets left out of this kind of documentary, but that goes for all of them. There aren't many documentary film makers these days I'm just willing to assume they are being totally honest in their editing choices.

MagnoliaTaint · 08/06/2022 14:24

Here's a clip from 2015 in which Chicken Doctor (Michelle Forcier) expands on treatment of children:

www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/one-doctor-explains-the-journey-for-kids-who-are-transitioning-431478851632

MagnoliaTaint · 08/06/2022 14:26

Very keen on the 'heart and soul' of our gender

NecessaryScene · 08/06/2022 14:26

Interview by Laura Dodsworth in The Critic:

thecritic.co.uk/what-is-a-woman/

It turns out that the best way to disrupt transgender ideology is to ask one simple question: what is a woman? Creator Matt Walsh asked each contributor the same question with purist focus in this brilliant and horrifying new film. The obstructions, circular reasoning and threats to walk off the set revealed that gender is like “a jenga tower”, as Walsh says.

I spoke to Walsh about the film just a few days after its release.

Hagiography · 08/06/2022 16:03

“There really is no creature on Earth more repulsive than a bitter old Boomer pro-abortion feminist.”

'repulsive' - interesting word choice, Matt.

The film was engaging and worthwhile for the interviews. I've no admiration for Matt Walsh, but it's good sunlight.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 08/06/2022 17:24

Is that Laura "Between a cock and a hard place" Dodsworth?

I am in a silent space again and can't work put if it's a real quote or not!

NecessaryScene · 08/06/2022 17:28

It is indeed:

twitter.com/TalkTV/status/1534140228558110720

NecessaryScene · 08/06/2022 17:31

Another review by Jo Bartosch for Spiked:

www.spiked-online.com/2022/06/07/the-mad-bad-and-sad-world-of-gender-ideology/

‘Does a chicken have a gender identity? Does a chicken cry? Does a chicken commit suicide?’, coos Michelle Forcier, a consultant paediatrician at Hasbro Children’s Hospital, Rhode Island. These strange questions are not part of some surrealist theatrical performance – they are responses to conservative commentator Matt Walsh, in his new documentary, What is a Woman?.

MangyInseam · 09/06/2022 03:26

It might simply be a utilitarian change of view on Forciers part. It became an important revenue stream for Planned Parenthood. So she needs to support it.

Hagiography · 10/06/2022 22:50

Brilliance from Victoria Smith:

thecritic.co.uk/mansplaining-womanhood/

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