Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 4

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, barrister for SW
RW = Robin White assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Witness Statement of Allison Bailey: allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Witness-Statement-of-Allison-Bailey.pdf

Kirrin Medcalf's complaint to GCC: allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/PH-Bundle-pp-331-2-Stonewall-Complaint.pdf

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3?

But it showed the EJ something, didn't it?

I don't think it was RMW. The voice was a higher pitch.

How much more cross examination has Allison got to endure?

Loads of times spent on the comment in the chat directed at RMW, moving on quickly re the 'here we go' comment directed at Allison. Which is the whole point of the case.

Sorry for my language in the last post but I find it infuriating that the court can't manage really basic things. Time has been wasted dealing with:

• inappropriate screen names (this can be stopped)


• inappropriate comments by observers in chat (this can be stopped)


• inappropriate exclamations (can't be stopped, but the list of suspects can be narrowed a lot if observers weren't allowed to unmute themselves)

AH estimated cross-examination would take the last two days of this week Mollyollydolly.

After that will we be on GCC staff? That might be as good as KM's testimony.

Remember, the threats against Allison were so serious that they were investigated by the police and they placed a marker on her home for urgent assistance if a 999 call was made from her address.

In the film, will it be - you know - THAT Starmer? Or is that too much artistic licence?

Yes. I'm amazed that the judge doesn't just boot people out who are clearly taking the piss. I mean that last little flurry of activity in the comments was totally out of order what ever side you are on. Although I do secretly enjoy a bun fight I'm surprised that the court aren't being more strict.

Exactly! They can fuck right off with their sexist shite - we see them for what they are

It speaks volumes that the person doesn't understand the impact of what death threats and rape threats have on women. So that they can just characterise them with a 'here we go', bit of rhetoric.

ugh.

An opportune intervention by Martin Reuby there, confirming that he heard it too. Is there a woman in the world who hasn't been put back in her place with a 'Here we go again' when she opens her mouth to express or assert herself?

Thank you, to the mystery voice. You've just demonstrated why people go to the press or Twitter rather than face the eye-rolling of the 'Here we go again' brigade.

Are there other people in the rooms that are not in shot of the camera? Is that allowed?

If the 'here we go' had happened in an actual courtroom, what would've happened next?

I meant to ask earlier, did IO and RMW sort out their weird camera issue, which came up yesterday?

'Is there a woman in the world who hasn't been put back in her place with a 'Here we go again' when she opens her mouth to express or assert herself?'

If there is I haven't met her.

The disgusting minimisation of them is all too apparent.

I hope she nails these awful people.

Oh dear, that is reminding me of the Life of Brian 🙄

If it was an officer of the court, I think you would get a very stern telling off.
If it was a member of the public, probably get told if you did it again you would be asked to leave.

Cheers, Manicsfan

I have just been following the updates on Mumsnet, but it's a bit surprising to go onto Twitter and see trans rights activists crowing about how terrible Allison's case is and how awful she is coming across. She doesn't seem to be doing that badly, and the cross examination with the Stonewall staff member was a dumpster fire.

I think it should be THAT Starmer with the burly security guards all having Elon Musk masks given it was Twitter related death threats that triggered the outburst. We could animate this bit so it's clear that it's an artistic interpretation of real events. I see them all bobbing comedically underscored by serious contempt of court style music.

@WeeBisom I think she is doing brilliantly, but I accept I may be biased 😁

Agreed. All that fucking about in chat is bad for everyone concerned.

Sorry to ask again, but in the rooms of the barristers, are there other people in the room with them, but not in the camera view? I'm just thinking could it have been some one else in the room with IO and RMW who made the comments?