Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 3

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, barrister for SW
RW = Robin White assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

BC: You complained about a tweet which was claimant's comment on Times article.
KM: yes it was derogatory about SW
BC: the tweet comments on Times article
KM: yes
BC: did you read article
KM: no bc the tweet accused stonewall of fear and coercion

WTF????

EJ is clearly finding much of what KM says to be incomprehensible.

C: SK was raising a point on behalf of MB of GC. He says community is encouraged to write to GC regarding AB's views. SK said that AB has been saying transphobic things on twitter
KM: yes
BC: people were encouraged to write to GC to express concern?
KM: yes
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BC: not a message of support but a message of concern
KM: yes I considered it a message of support because of safety because we're transpeople
BC: SK said they were having a meeting about direct action. The message was to influence chambers to take action
KM: yes

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BC: This is a post from SK put up on stag wall in 2019
KM: I assume so
BC: you read this?
KM: yes
BC: because you were member of the stag wall?
KM: yes
BC: all stag members have access?
KM: I believe so
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BC: it says SK spoke to MB who told me she encourages trans community to write messages of support - in brackets 'regarding action against AB'. It said explicity that MB encouraged these messages
KM: yes
BC: supporting action agains claimant?
KM: yes
BC: this prompted your complaint

That reads to me like it's the whole thing sorted, right there. It can't be that easy, can it? What am I missing?

She's interrupting, again, Madam.

That's what she said. 🙄

If the camera views were full face, it would be easier to discern speech.

... and when I say please make the film, I mean the Armando Iannucci one, just to clarify.

KM: I was writing about the safety of trans people who might find themselves at GCC [and at risk of AB doing something].

I wonder if the person who shifted when the camera showed them moved to be just out of view - in a blind spot.

Crossed my mind, too.

Yes, I think the same, what are we missing, something obvious, obvs.

There was discussion on the thread about the smoking gun yesterday I think.

Ah okay. Thank you! Will flick back

Like others have pointed out, it's really difficult to believe this charity has been advising the government, schools, the NHS, the police, the judiciary, local councils, the lot!

Apart from the fact they are a bunch of ideologically addled ding bats, their position crumples at the first hint of a challenge.

how did we get to this? And how did people bloody well go along with it.

and what would AB be going to do? Channel Boudicca against the Romans?

This would be funny if it wasn't so disgraceful.

I think all MPs, Government Department, Public Institutions et al need to have their attention drawn to this and serious questions asked as to why this was allowed to happen.

There needs to be an independent inquiry.

I feel strangely sad and angry that there is no clever, charismatic, academically credible person who can represent the trans view rationally and eloquently and consistently, and that it would appear that Crispin Blunt, Caroline Nokes, Maria Miller, Keir Starter, the NHS and the army and MoD and MI5 and every ruddy hospital and school and university in the land has been enlisted to stage the largest organised assault on women's rights by people like this.

Eresh, do you know how an official inquiry get launched?

What needs to happen beforehand?

We all cross-posted. How the fuck did this happen?

There absolutely does.

What am I missing?

AB's case is that bad things went on and that they were causally linked. The main weakness I see this is causal linkages, ie Stonewall instructed GCC to act against AB, this made them to decide to do so, they did so by restricting the amount and quality of work she received from the clerks in GCC, and this restriction caused her financial detriment.

Side point but when is KM he/him and when they/them or is he saying use either?

I mean how does anyone take them seriously, let alone the MoD, MPs, the NHS. It's just incoherent, nasty bollocks.

Presumably there will be a transcript?

We can use it to write the script.

I really hope there is one. I suspect people are going to look at this and think fuck me, this is just too embarrassing for words. Let's just sweep it all under the carpet and have it die a quiet little death in the corner.

Stonewall's own QC has referred to him as Mr so everyone is going with that except when the Judge said Miss.