Transwoman claims Tampax have offered sponsorship

[DomesticatedZombie]

Dylan, currently on 'Day 47 of being a girl' claims Tampax have been in touch.

www.instagram.com/p/CbiQWjUpXXd/

Why?

'Dylan was using a public restroom when a fellow woman called out if she had a tampon, Dylan shyly replying ‘no’.
Afterwards, she decided to buy some to keep in the house and in her purse for all her girlfriends, ending the video with “women support women.” It seemed that Tampax were quite interested in working with Dylan afterwards. What an incredible outcome!'

www.boredpanda.com/trans-tiktoker-documents-journey

What is it with these men and their obsession with period products?

i said and was deleted. Guess the monitors are out in force on this one.

Suffice to say that I’ve had 37 years of periods (bar4 pregnancies) and I’ve never been asked for a tampon from a stranger.

Not period products, tampons.
It's always tampons.
And as women know the last thing you'd ever borrow because of individual preference.
They don't even attempt to make it believable by talking about pads because pads don't have the same use.

I think womanhood should not be linked to periods or at least periods shouldn't be a prominent part of womanhood

I think zebrahood should not be linked to having four legs or stripes. Or at least having four legs and stripes shouldn't be a prominent part of zebrahood.

Cos then I can say I'm a zebra and convince myself it's sort of possible. I mean it destroys the whole concept of zebras for the entire population who actually are zebras, but hey I want this and I deserve it. So sod zebras. Except me. Who is a different but better kind of redefined just for me zebra.

@nepeta you are exactly right - its all about using us as validation. Look at the little twerp who had a tantrum because the assistant in Monsoon asked him to wait until the changing room was empty before he went in. He WANTED to go and twirl in front of the other women and girls in that changing room, and possibly get off to the thought of there being women the other side of a flimsy curtain in just their pants. It wouldn't have been anything like such a special experience for him if there hadn't been any women to validate him - and THATS what caused the tantrum.

There was an earlier thread that has now been removed that began with an article from a marketing magazine, stating that Tampax and Procter&Gamble haven't responded to a request for comment.

adland.tv/adnews/did-tampax-really-reach-out-dylan-mulvaney-collaboration-tiktok

I think Dylan is simply lying about being contacted at all, but I don't understand why Tampax won't clarify.

I see a lot of comments are being removed in this thread too, and I hope it doesn't get removed because I would really like to see Tampax being forced to clarify here.

I would guess Tampax won't clarify because they will get shit for it either way- if they say they didn't then they will be accused of bullying a poor defenceless transwomen and if they say they did they will be held up as a joke. They see just hoping it goes away and don't want to extend the news cycle by saying anything.

Right? I would never borrow a tampon, not just because of the size preferences but I also prefer tampons without applicators, and lots of women use those.

AND, no matter what kind of tampon it is, I know that I've had to throw a bunch of mine away as they roll around in my purse and sort of losing that plastic protection as it may unravel at the bottom of my purse, so yeah no, I'm not borrowing a tampon from anyone. I really need to clean my purse out.

You are probably right. So that means they can ignore the women who actually buy their product, just to avoid being seen as mean to people who do not buy their product. Which is wild, and makes me feel like women aren't worth anything. They don't care about us.

Which is wild, and makes me feel like women aren't worth anything. They don't care about us.

This. The contempt for women's feelings is never not shocking.

So let me get this straight…. A previous thread where OP was confused about why a transwoman would be asked to do a Sanpro ad is deleted. But the one where the OP ends with the quote “what an incredible outcome” is kept?

The deletion of the first thread made me feel like women weren’t allowed space to discuss important matters such as this. I am in no way a “hater” of trans. However I have severe endometriosis so period products are close to my heart! 🥴

What I said on the other thread - Tampax are rubbish - uncomfortable and out of touch with women. Lillets are amazing!

I have been asked by other women for Sanpro, generally friends or women in bars/clubs/airports late at night when no shops are open. I’ve asked a friend a few times too. Women supporting women as Dylan says…

I actually liked the videos Dylan did and think they are quite a positive person and appear to be happier for their life choice. I also saw that they thought Tampax approaching them was quite mad.

Agree I would like Tampax to clarify on this. Periods are awful and anything to do with them shouldn’t be treated in a gimmicky fashion to jump on the bandwagon.

Women matter.

So let me get this straight…. A previous thread where OP was confused about why a transwoman would be asked to do a Sanpro ad is deleted. But the one where the OP ends with the quote “what an incredible outcome” is kept?

The deletion of the first thread made me feel like women weren’t allowed space to discuss important matters such as this. I am in no way a “hater” of trans. However I have severe endometriosis so period products are close to my heart! 🥴

What I said on the other thread - Tampax are rubbish - uncomfortable and out of touch with women. Lillets are amazing!

I have been asked by other women for Sanpro, generally friends or women in bars/clubs/airports late at night when no shops are open. I’ve asked a friend a few times too. Women supporting women as Dylan says…

I actually liked the videos Dylan did and think they are quite a positive person and appear to be happier for their life choice. I also saw that they thought Tampax approaching them was quite mad.

Agree I would like Tampax to clarify on this. Periods are awful and anything to do with them shouldn’t be treated in a gimmicky fashion to jump on the bandwagon.

Women matter.

I said it before and I will say it again. I would rather stick toilet paper in my pants than ask anyone for a tampon

Hell, I would rather free bleed

The 'incredible outcome' phrase was a quote from the article, Robinni.

Also, this board's rules can take a bit of getting used to. Some words/phrases/sentiments are likely to be reported and often deleted. I've been here a while, you get to learn how to phrase things. It's still a useful space.

@Mandodari

”I think womanhood should not be linked to periods or at least periods shouldn't be a prominent part of womanhood."

Periods have defined my adult life - huge amounts of time unwell, endless operations. Impacts everything from what job I do, from what clothes I wear. I have a bin bag and towel in the car in case of complete disaster! I’m restricted in what I can do because my energy levels can be very low and I have to prioritise. This is life for the 10% of women who have endometriosis.

For those with normal periods there are still painful cramps, PMS etc etc and I would put money on it that most organise their sex life and holidays around their periods. Then there’s all the worry about either not wanting to become pregnant or very much wanting to become pregnant and the fixation on periods there. Then the menopause and all that brings.

Periods are a huge part of what it is to be a woman, as much as pregnancy, breastfeeding, female sexuality….

All the fluff around “female clothing” “female mannerisms” “female ideas” is just that FLUFF. A woman can have a short haircut, she can wear a suit and flat shoes, she can have an astrophysicist who collects classic cars and body builds in her spare time. She can drink beer, fart and burp. She can swear. She can decide to not embrace being a homemaker and having children. She doesn’t have to shave her body hair.

She is still woman because what is left? - her biology. She has female anatomy and menstruates.

Regarding your second post (quoted above)… I am with you; many of the trans people I see - particularly the transwomen - are like Disneyland versions of women, it isn’t authentic. The ones I tend to get on with the best are just happy regular people, living their lives - not trying to outdo others and prove a point.

I believe we are seeing a renewed rise of patriarchy through this - a man who perceives themselves as female should be afforded more consideration than someone who is female.

Those who are trans have not had the lived experience of being a female their whole life and it’s impossible to replicate. Just as it would be for a white person to suddenly declare they are black; the life experience isn’t there and no matter how hard you try to be something you are not it doesn’t make it 100% real.

I get that, I just feel it sets a different sort of tone for the thread.

How transmen feel about getting their period, thought this was interesting.

helloclue.com/articles/cycle-a-z/what-it's-like-to-get-your-period-when-you're-trans

"It’s a reminder of the uncontrollable decisions my body makes without my approval"

Have you ever heard such self pitying whinging in all your life . Complaining because your body is working the way nature intended it to. As to the others saying they love their bodies except when they have their periods, yeah well, welcome to reality. Life isn't all rainbows and fairy dust.
The more I read about trans identity the more I think its about people not wanting to grow up and accept that life has its bad bits as well as it good bits.

When I’ve been asked for sanitary protection (it’s happened a few times) it was:
• by people I know
• (bar twice) while I was in my teens
• for sanitary towels
• quietly & in [semi-]private

I do seem to be some kind of Head Girl Emerita though: I get asked for directions even when I’m abroad; & am the person who gets asked for plasters/hair grips/mints/paracetamol/change for a larger denomination of cash/advice on things/information about things [I apparently just look like someone who knows about Early Modern musical instruments/the evolution of the pointe shoe/C19 othering of prostitutes] so people asking me seems logical[ish]?

I have also had to ask - but again, I always asked for sanitary towels, & again, did so discreetly - a couple of times: loo roll would only do me long enough to track down some proper sanitary protection unless I used a whole roll. Only once since leaving school, when admitted to hospital after a series of seizures. In my pre-ictal brain-wobble I’d taken the wee bag with tampons & towels in out of my bag & not put it back (I think something to do with my using period pants; epilepsy brain did not factor in irregularity of my cycle); & post-ictal I couldn’t have managed any part of going to the hospital shop to purchase some. So I had to ask the ward staff; & I was given some kind of post-partum paper pants: they could actually cope with my flow, so maybe they’re what all these TW who’re so desperate to be “part of the process” should invest in to hand out.

Or, alternatively, trans women could accept that as, while they may identify as female they are male; they do not have any part in the various “processes” occurring in ladies’ loos; & their presence in said facilities is actively preventing some women from using them.

The sheer breathtaking entitlement of demanding womanhood not be defined by periods… Female people not having periods obviously doesn’t exclude them from womanhood in the same way that limb differences don’t exclude people from being human. But trying to pretend away this defining characteristic - especially when so many women & girls (particularly in the global south) continue to suffer [in many cases irreparable] harm - including exclusion from education as a consequence of menstruating is grotesque. Those are oppressed & marginalised people. Much as FGM - unlike “saying words people do not like” - is literal violence. As is infanticide - in which one might include the abandonment of female neonates with no attempt to protect them/cause them to [much less ensure they will] be found alive. And indeed femicide, which occurs at a quite staggering rate all around the globe.

It's actually quite funny. Do we have people complaining about other involuntary bodily functions/responses, too? Is a pulse oppressive? Is the in/out action of breathing just infuriatingly binary? That autonomic nervous system is SO UNFAIR.

I think it’s because MN are more worried about losing advertising revenue- Hence having to be seen to support transwomen .
Actual woman can go to hell.
Our feelings don’t matter, clearly, as long as a self ID ing male can call themselves a “ Woman” and get into Women’s spaces.

Mansnet it is fast becoming at this rate ( Expects deletion)

Every time I post this bit of FACTUAL MEDICAL INFORMATION IN EVERY BASIC GYNAECOLOGICAL TEXTBOOK the thread gets deleted (funny, huh?) - but here goes:

• periods are controlled by a complex interaction of over 7 hormones including progesterone, GnRH, FSH, LH, inhibin A, inhibin B, activin, and oestrogen
• the activity of the corpus luteum (the discarded body of the unfertilised egg) releases LH and triggers the hormone changes during the last stage of the cycle
• period pain and PMS/period symptoms happen because there is a sharp DROP in oestrogen and progesterone levels around days 23-25
• it’s the drop in progesterone that triggers PMS and menstruation, causing prostaglandins to be released in the muscle of the uterus (which causes period pain, bloating etc.). (Progesterone inhibits prostaglandin production in the uterus, so when it drops, prostaglandins - inflammatory hormones - start to rise)
• oestrogen is at its very lowest point in the cycle when this happens, and may be actually pretty unimportant in triggering period symptoms - they happen when it is effectively nearly absent and resolve when it starts to rise again
• how then can transwomen, who take a fixed dose of oestrogen throughout the month (and rarely if ever take even progesterone, never mind any of the other hormones), be experiencing a pseudo period when it’s the absence of oestrogen and progesterone that causes menstruation and premenstrual symptoms….? Ever wonder why it’s called hormone REPLACEMENT therapy? The additional oestrogen is meant to stop these symptoms happening - that’s the entire point.

These MEDICAL FACTS about the hormones in the menstrual cycle can indisputably be found anywhere in basic medical literature, but weirdly enough every time I post them on even the most unthreatening thread, the thread goes poof. As if someone doesn’t quite like medical facts being pointed out. It’s happened about four times now. Not gonna stop pointing it out though, because the “hormones really CAN give TW a period!” stuff seems to be lapped up by young girls online who have no knowledge about how their own bodies work.

<checks watch> see how long this one lasts.

A basic graphic:

We have monitors who like to control what women can and can't say. They can and do make reports - it used to be the case you didn't even need to be a Mumsnet member to report a post, not sure if that's still true.

But if certain words are used, or if enough reports/allegations are made, sometimes posts get deleted.

The monitors are a particularly unpleasant group of misgoynists on Twitter who, as DomesticatedZombie says, make it their business to control what we can and can't say.

I expect that in the past they'd have been busy reporting local women for witchcraft and the like.