Student midwives at a Scottish university taught that men can give birth

[Clymene]

Look at this absolute nonsense:

According to the workbook, students were advised: “It is important to note that while most times the birthing person will have female genitalia, you may be caring for a pregnant or birthing person who is transitioning from male to female and may still have external male genitalia.”
https://reduxx.info/exclusive-midwifery-students-taught-how-to-care-for-males-giving-birth/

In a teaching workbook for midwifery students.

I just can't deal with so much stupid.

If Elaine Miller and Susan Bewley hadn't been quoted I would have assumed that was a hoax. Extremely worrying. Surely this should be reported to the Royal College of Nursing or whoever monitors training standards for student midwives?

you may be caring for a pregnant or birthing person who is transitioning from male to female and may still have external male genitalia.

I hope an erratum slip is being printed for that or the worlds of healthcare and education are in even more trouble than I think.

This is a bit confusing. Surely they mean a woman transitioning from female to male can give birth. But not a man transitioning to female. Or am I confused.

I had to google the title to get to the article, but it says that the "workbook" was later edited, though unsatisfactorily.

I am slightly cheered by the fact that it was students at the unnamed university who were concerned about the workbook. At least some young people have sense and a grasp of biology.

I just looked up the link. I reckon it's a hoax.

It's worth reading the article to see what has been corrected and what hasn't (that claim has been corrected).

You’d hope this was fake, but I don’t have that much confidence in people who think people in literally change their sex.

Has a TW ever had a successful complete female reproductive system transplant? Surely this would be earth shattering news and I would have heard about it?

Well someone’s confused, that’s for sure. And this is where we are. The fact that words matter, and have meaning, has been left so far behind that now everything is so confused and confusing you get, presumably, intelligent individuals coming out with this insanity.

What could they mean? Obviously can't be MtF but does FtM genital surgery leave the female parts intact?

No it doesn't.

And even if they were talking about women who has transitioned, they won't have a prostate.

I would love to know the university.

From the article:

"All references to the handling of a penis, prostate gland, and other male biology remained, but also added the suggestion a female to male transgender person could give birth through a surgically constructed ‘penis.’"

That's the 'corrected' workbook! A workbook for students in a UK university.

Eh? To quote Monty Python
I'm not oppressing you, Stan -- you haven't got a womb. Where's the fetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?"

WHAT?!

Presumed this would be about female people who identify as men. Bloody hell.

Speechless.

Well that's a bit mental. I have a friend who is a transman who gave birth. But clearly that was because they have female genitalia and a womb.
I despair.

I’ve only just woken up to this madness, and this is so outrageous, How did it get like this

Giving birth through a penis sounds... messy.

This must be a hoax. I imagine doing a ‘sweep’ would be enough contraceptive to most!

🤢

Found this on Twitter made me laugh

Awaits telling off

I would go further to say if any HCP was involved in writing or approving the text should be reported to their professional body for professional incompetence.

An organ transplant is not a cosmetic surgery. I believe there has been at least one transplant performed on a woman, there are people doing research on males getting such transplants so its possible (in theory).

If the student did come across a male who had a transplant of both womb and birth canal (or just a womb) and was growing/birthing a baby in the UK its a Mengele level experiment, and the student (or fully qualified midwife) should be reporting to their legal and ethics committee not casually deciding to participating in the experiment.

Midwives should not be trained in such low ethics which allows the health system to carry out experiments on babies. The NHS Trust focus on "natrual birth" when surgical procedure was needed demonstrates a basic failure in ethical standards.

If it details how to manage a prostate it was not written for a woman's body as prostate can not be created in a cosmetic surgery on a female. If it was an actual prostate that would be an organ transplant and "poking" tubes into a organ transplant site may work but may not be the best first option.

If a female had cosmetic surgery they should have looked for specialist advice on post op dangers from scar tissue etc or at basics like will the female equipment work. If it was written for women who suffer from gender dystopia, who had cosmetic surgery and are giving birth it shows a low standard of care when the educational body can't even spend time to explain the correct basic biology and then build on how to give specialist care.

Looks like David Lammy wrote this one after he re-watched Jurassic Park.

Bwahahahahaa fuckinghahahahahaha!

I mean - argh. But - hahahahahaha!