Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing

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The Tribunal will start on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

I have sent a request but haven't had anything back yet. Hopefully nearer the time.

This is horrible. Poor Allison.

So much delay and chaos caused by this being done virtually. Why isn't it in person?

Also can't believe how many narcissists think that their opinion is important enough to clutter up the chat. It's basically equivalent to shouting out in court. Would they do that too? Suspect they actually would.

It really is. I can believe there's not a hearings assistant.

I agree, Zeugma...surely the clerk could help the judge with the nuts and bots of the facilitating.

We're going over to Mr Lew/ Lu/ Lugh (?) at 3.05. Judge has turned off the camera and has probably gone to bang her head against a wall/ punch a cushion/ run around the garden screaming for four minutes. I hope someone has a cup of tea or coffee for her. AH is back.

I suspect there are some who would love to see this closed down on a technicality and are working very hard to see that happens. Hopefully Allison's supporters are cognisant of this and avoid reacting to those seeking to undermine.

Didn't Giuliana Kendal (the complainant) in Venice Allen and Linda Bellos' case complain about LB's pocket square (suffragette colours) and possibly that the same colours were worn by some in the public gallery? Photo here:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6210263/Lesbian-accused-threatening-thump-transgender-b-s.html

The judge in that case ruled that the colours and (public's) Tshirts etc. were acceptable.

'The T-shirt is a highly political emblem from an organisation called Standing For Women.
'It's brazen in committing contempt of court and accusing me, the prosecutor, left right and centre. More to the point it's also obviously and clearly a breach of the Equality Act.

'It's brazen in committing contempt of court and accusing me, the prosecutor, left right and centre. More to the point it's also obviously and clearly a breach of the Equality Act.

'I say that because the offensiveness of the T-shirt and the offensiveness of the campaign is to deny me as a trans woman. It's an abuse.'

District Judge Richard Blake said: 'People are free to wear what they want.
'If somebody does wear things in court which are identified and do amount to an offence - and I'm not going to specify what that might be - but in this case I'm not satisfied the case is made for people to remove things in court.
'I'm not satisfied that amounts to an offence. This case clearly reflects issues within the community of different sections of the community.

They should block access to the chat for observers and everyone is muted/camera off unless they have an active role.

This fol de rol is unnecessary because we're long past the point where unfamiliarity with video software is even halfway acceptable as an excuse. I can't help thinking some of this is intentional as well as a strong indication of narcissism on some parts.

Kate Barker still unable to be heard. This is like herding cats.

Central government financial cut backs have affected the system, I suspect. EJ Goodman has the patience of a saint.

Thank goodness Mr Lue has able to join.

Mr Lue, a witness for GCC. Finally some substance of the case. Only took just over a week.

This is a shambles.

This is a good question. Everything else is in person - people are attending theatre shows, sporting events, schools etc with 100s or 1000s of other people. Exams will be happening soon, in person. Why on earth is something this important being done virtually? And if they are going to make that choice, then do it properly and don't rely on the judge to do their judge job and also be in charge of virtual tech. Ridiculous. Making a mockery of the justice system.

If it was in person then we may not be able to watch virtually.

Made a second thread here

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Mr Lue - whit woo.

I'm assuming this is the current witness Mr Lue: www.gardencourtchambers.co.uk/barristers/stephen-lue/sao

Whilst it's fun to watch virtually, it's not really essential and if it's the reason that delaying tactics work then it won't have been worth it IMO

Yes, this sort of inability to get someone to join - a key witness at that - would be completely unacceptable in any other work setting.

Is anyone else getting the error 'invalid pin'?

Poor Judge Goodman...her face.

She literally has her head in her hands.

Mr Lue, you should have got a headset microphone. And hurry up with the page numbers! Type in the page numbers, you know that! Do not scroll, you are wasting time.

Everyone should be totally up to date with IT requirements and settings these days. Saying that, I usually use Teams or Zoom, not this software.

It's brazen in committing contempt of court and accusing me, the prosecutor, left right and centre. More to the point it's also obviously and clearly a breach of the Equality Act.

That is a peach of a statement, accusing Giuliana of what exactly? No wonder the case was thrown out.