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Owen Jones has relentlessly persecuted women online, including his own colleagues. An external investigator brought in by The Guardian has found him guilty of bullying a female columnist.

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ChristinaXYZ · 13/04/2022 10:30

"Owen Jones has relentlessly persecuted women online, including his own colleagues. An external investigator brought in by The Guardian has found him guilty of bullying a female columnist."

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/04/2022 18:54

I'm not sure it would hold much water in a libel case that a generic accusation of "bullying" was defamatory when it is accepted that he drove harassment against and intimidated female colleagues.

SpinningMeSoftly · 13/04/2022 18:59

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I'm not sure it would hold much water in a libel case that a generic accusation of "bullying" was defamatory when it is accepted that he drove harassment against and intimidated female colleagues.
Exactly.

And I think the more detailed descriptions and findings of harassment and intimidation are much more damaging.

It’s like OJ and Jo M have lost their powers of basic reason. Wood, trees maybe?

Siablue · 13/04/2022 19:00

So happy to see this story. Intimidation and harassment are much more serious than bullying so he would have no chance of actually suing Private Eye ( I love them). Ian Hislop doesn’t give a monkeys he knows Owen can’t sue him.

Saucery · 13/04/2022 19:02

I’m sure Private Eye will be happy to clarify that ‘bullying’ isn’t the case and ‘driving harassment’ and ‘intimidation’ are. Knowing them, they will do so repeatedly Grin

BenCooperisaGod · 13/04/2022 19:16

I dont get the sense that the Guardian would go into bat for LOJ on this one if he chose to litigate. It would be Talcum X and the Fox botherer, Vs Private eye. I know where my £££ would be

EdithStourton · 13/04/2022 19:19

@ExMachinaDeus

I rather think that Ian Hislop —sex god— is more than a match for little Owen
No! Please! That is an image I can do without?
Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/04/2022 20:05

It’s like OJ and Jo M have lost their powers of basic reason.

They really have. This is your brain on gender identity ideology.

MoltenLasagne · 13/04/2022 20:19

So glad that LOJ has clarified that he hadn't been found guilty of bullying, just of driving harassment and intimidation of women. For a moment there I thought he might be one of the bad guys... Hmm

Tana433 · 13/04/2022 20:38

I find it quite hilarious how OJ seems to live rent-free in so many people's heads. Unless you know him personnally, you have no idea if he is a bully or not. He stands up for trans rights ( topic i confess i do not know nearly enough about much less understand) Why would you say he hates women? He has a twin sister and a mother that im pretty sure he doesnt hate. It could be said that there are many on here that hate men. I honestly dont get it. Live and let live. If you dont like him then ignore him, i doubt he will loose much sleep over it.

HardyBuckette · 13/04/2022 20:42

@Tana433

I find it quite hilarious how OJ seems to live rent-free in so many people's heads. Unless you know him personnally, you have no idea if he is a bully or not. He stands up for trans rights ( topic i confess i do not know nearly enough about much less understand) Why would you say he hates women? He has a twin sister and a mother that im pretty sure he doesnt hate. It could be said that there are many on here that hate men. I honestly dont get it. Live and let live. If you dont like him then ignore him, i doubt he will loose much sleep over it.
House!
Supersee · 13/04/2022 20:43

@Tana433

I find it quite hilarious how OJ seems to live rent-free in so many people's heads. Unless you know him personnally, you have no idea if he is a bully or not. He stands up for trans rights ( topic i confess i do not know nearly enough about much less understand) Why would you say he hates women? He has a twin sister and a mother that im pretty sure he doesnt hate. It could be said that there are many on here that hate men. I honestly dont get it. Live and let live. If you dont like him then ignore him, i doubt he will loose much sleep over it.

Hi Owen 👋

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 13/04/2022 20:43

i confess i do not know nearly enough about much less understand

I wonder if you might have the courtesy to consider that others do understand more about it and choose to discuss it without any guidance from those of you who don't?

Tana433 · 13/04/2022 20:48

@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus Well i could, but i have just as much right to express my opinion a you do and as any of us on here do. No ones opinion is any better or worse than anyone elses. We can agree to disagree but im just saying that none of us has worked with him personnally so we dont know and i dont think he deserves the relentless pile on he is subjected to every day on twitter. Thats all, i have no horse in this race.

Saucery · 13/04/2022 20:50

It’s not so much he lives rent free in your head. It’s more like you hear a frantic, angry squeaking and look down and there he is. Petulantly opining about women daring to disagree with him.

HardyBuckette · 13/04/2022 20:51

[quote Tana433]@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus Well i could, but i have just as much right to express my opinion a you do and as any of us on here do. No ones opinion is any better or worse than anyone elses. We can agree to disagree but im just saying that none of us has worked with him personnally so we dont know and i dont think he deserves the relentless pile on he is subjected to every day on twitter. Thats all, i have no horse in this race.[/quote]
No, some opinions are better than others. And if all a person can say in defence of their view is that they're entitled to have it, they're usually full of shit.

Crcohetmonster · 13/04/2022 20:54

@Tana433

I find it quite hilarious how OJ seems to live rent-free in so many people's heads. Unless you know him personnally, you have no idea if he is a bully or not. He stands up for trans rights ( topic i confess i do not know nearly enough about much less understand) Why would you say he hates women? He has a twin sister and a mother that im pretty sure he doesnt hate. It could be said that there are many on here that hate men. I honestly dont get it. Live and let live. If you dont like him then ignore him, i doubt he will loose much sleep over it.
Owen! Is that you? 😂😂😂😂
EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 13/04/2022 20:55

[quote Tana433]@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus Well i could, but i have just as much right to express my opinion a you do and as any of us on here do. No ones opinion is any better or worse than anyone elses. We can agree to disagree but im just saying that none of us has worked with him personnally so we dont know and i dont think he deserves the relentless pile on he is subjected to every day on twitter. Thats all, i have no horse in this race.[/quote]
Actually, you've declared that you know little and understand less about the topic so I wonder if you might reconsider your stance given that admission.

How very pomo of you to consider equivalence of opinions given your lack of both familiarity and knowledge. You could, of course, choose to share your reckon.

However, given your sympathy and framing of "relentless pile on" v. that experienced by women such as Sharron Davies, Maya Forstater etc. it seems that you do consider yourself to have a horse in the race and prize the knowledge/understanding that you do have and weight it in the favour of OJ. I'm sure that he will treasure the full value of it.

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SayMyNameNotMyName · 13/04/2022 20:56

He has some women in his family, you say? Oh well then, that settles it

Owen Jones has relentlessly persecuted women online, including his own colleagues. An external investigator brought in by The Guardian has found him guilty of bullying a female columnist.
SayMyNameNotMyName · 13/04/2022 20:57

Totes not a misogynist. My bad

SayMyNameNotMyName · 13/04/2022 20:57

He's got a sister, everyone! Stand down!

SpinningMeSoftly · 13/04/2022 21:08

Well here's what I reckon.

The Guardian should open comments on all of OJ's columns.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 13/04/2022 21:09

@SayMyNameNotMyName

He has some women in his family, you say? Oh well then, that settles it
To be fair, I can understand why some people who haven't attempted to understand a topic might consider that misogynists spring fully-formed from the head of another misogynist with no women involved.

If you had that level of understanding then it might seem self-evident that the existence of women in the family would be QED as evidence against misogyny.

NB: to clear all all doubt, I'd still attend a dentist rather than a toothiologist.

Organictangerine · 13/04/2022 21:13

He’s vile. He thinks a trace of a Northern accent is enough to undo his very privileged, middle class white upbringing and propel him to ‘man-of-the-people’ status. He is a horrific misogynist whose faux-concern for women and people of colour only pops out when he needs them as canon fodder in his war against the right wing. His only genuine concern in life seems to be ensuring trans ‘women’ have unfettered access to female only spaces regardless of the consequences.

I can honestly say I dislike him more than Boris Johnson.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/04/2022 21:59

Saucery Grin