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What is a Woman? Advert. The tide is truly turning...

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Appalonia · 13/04/2022 10:00

"Florida-based watch manufacturer Egard Watches has created an ad spot in defense of biological women’s rights.

What are the details?
The video opens with footage of accomplished women, including female athletes and others, and shows women through the decades and even centuries fighting for equal rights.

"What is a woman?" the female narrator says. "Is women's history of achievements quickly being erased? Is a woman a feminine force of nature? Is a woman a sister, a daughter, a mother? Is a woman the wonder of childbirth?"

"Is a woman a caregiver?" the narrator continues. "Is a woman a warrior who fought for her place?"

The video continues, "Is that now being taken away, soon to be forgotten? Is that not worth protecting? And how long do we sit idly by and not stand for the sacred value of womanhood as it loses all meaning?"

"Because we believe that womanhood is a birthright," the narrator concludes.

What else?
In a statement provided to Blaze Media, Egard CEO Ilan Srulovicz said, “The overwhelming majority of Americans are appalled by Big Tech, Big Business, and Big Government’s coordinated campaign to erase the hard-fought gains earned by untold millions of amazing women in our society."

"Yet, almost nobody is speaking for them," Srulovicz continued. "We crafted an ad campaign that celebrates our grandmothers, mothers, sisters, aunts, and daughters, and everything they represent to paint a stark contrast to the lies we are all being told."

Srulovicz added, "The push for transgender rights is no longer about equality, it’s now a cleverly-crafted lie that comes at the expense of women. We ask all Americans to join us to speak truth.”

This is a VERY powerful advert

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thinkingaboutLangCleg · 13/04/2022 14:13

@SelfPortraitWithPterodactyl

Christ, I am so tired of the posters who pop up on every bloody thread to point out that just because someone (politician, company, whatever) has said something true and sensible they are not automatically paragons of virtue or allies in every other way. For fuck's sake, WE KNOW. We are not - unlike some people, apparently - naive enough to assume that someone who says one right thing is a Good Person Who Can Do No Wrong. Seriously, if you see an advert that you approve of and automatically think that business must be worth supporting for every other reason that says a lot more about you and your approach to the world - and indeed, to my mind, suggests the sort of unsophisticated black-and-white thinking that is exacerbating the culture wars. We are recognising here that merely speaking the truth on this topic is unusual, and that we want to encourage it. Does that mean said truth-speaking is necessarily altruistically motivated? Obviously not. Is speaking a self-evident truth an exceptionally low fucking bar? Yes. Does it mean the speaker is a Good Person? Again, obviously not. 🙄 What we are rewarding is the action, the much-needed, refreshing and significant action - while also deploring the need for it and regretting that people who claim to be more charitably motivated can't go one better. We're not idiots, and we're not awarding a fucking sainthood.
Thanks for pointing this out, Self.

I have to laugh at all the monitors pointing out how wrong we silly women are. A company supports us, so we support them. A company disrespects us, we stop giving them our money. We are so bad .....

Nnique · 13/04/2022 14:15

All very good, and important, considerations. Of course.

I’ve not watched the ad but the text as laid out here I can certainly get behind.

Some principles transcend all political considerations and those must be upheld regardless of individual agreement/disagreement.

Material reality should not be denied. Sex matters. Womanhood is a birthright.

Misstache · 13/04/2022 14:16

I mean, for an ad in the US you choose a medal ceremony of Soviet gymnasts in like 1972 to talk about women’s success in sports and not Simone Biles or Serena who are by far the most recognizable athletes? I guess they don’t have that feminine spirit and grace. This is an ad locating itself in a nostalgic white past where white women won gymnastics and white women did the caregiving (which is in fact done largely by immigrant non- white women like Filipinas, Latinas, Black women, etc.) where women weren’t CEOs (other than the questioning of Justice Brown no professional women here) and white women stayed nicely home and gave birth. This is really quite bad under the “we support women” surface.

StopStartStop · 13/04/2022 14:16

Wow!

beastlyslumber · 13/04/2022 14:19

Has twitter had a massive, ensemble Mad Angry Cry about this yet?

StopStartStop · 13/04/2022 14:21

Oh, I watched that. It made me cry. I need a watch...

MoonbeamSprinkles · 13/04/2022 14:24

I’m ready to be piled on here but I actually think this advert is a gift for those who say the GC movement is in bed with the Christian Right.

All this ‘is woman a care giver’ ‘sacred womanhood’ rhetoric doesn’t sound very gender critical at all.
In fact it sounds very gender supportive.

I’m not a woman because I’m a mother, sister, whatever: I’m a woman because I’m of the female sex and I’m an adult - the end.

And if I was a trans activist I’d be rubbing my hands with glee at that advert, it’s every straw man in the book.

AlisonDonut · 13/04/2022 14:29

@LookMoreCloselier

Here we go again, last week fawning over bawjaws boris and now buying this jewellery. Confused
I'm not a fan of any jewellery, nor Boris, but isn't that what advertising actually is? Buy our products because (whatever)? All companies that advertise are just interested in selling product...and people decide on what to buy using this and any other number of pieces of info to decide what to buy?

I mean it isn't rocket science...but it is advertising.

SquirrelFan · 13/04/2022 14:29

@MoonbeamSprinkles I agree wholeheartedly

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 13/04/2022 14:33

I’m ready to be piled on here but I actually think this advert is a gift for those who say the GC movement is in bed with the Christian Right.

tbh, iirc, for those who are convinced of this, any interpretation is sufficient evidence and it works equally for those who consider GC to be Marxists. There will always be a justification to disdain GC people.

The company's rhetoric, imagery (the visual references and historical references laid out by a PP), and jewellery are not my cup of tea but I don't expect there to be a Borg consciousness on any of these issues.

MoonbeamSprinkles · 13/04/2022 14:39

There will always be a justification to disdain GC people

But this isn’t a GC advert and they aren’t a GC company.
This is a religious right company who just happen to agree that you can’t change sex.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day and all that, and I’m sure they’d also agree that the sky was blue.

Buuuuuut they are not on the gender critical feminist side.
They are the other side of the coin.

I get that we’re in a place where even crumbs feel good.
But I would imagine that they aren’t fighting for people to be free to wear and dress how they please.

MsFogi · 13/04/2022 14:44

Bloody brilliant. Just had a look at their watches and will definitely be requesting one for my next birthday. We need to share the hell out of this ad on social media and email the company to tell them we think it is brilliant (I have done so).

StopStartStop · 13/04/2022 14:55

The ad did seem very political (anti-Biden) but I was willing to overlook that in favour of the positive message for women. I'm a single-issue woman, if they're standing with women I'll stand with them.

ChinstrapBobblehat · 13/04/2022 14:59

👏 👏 👏

First post on this subject in a long while that hasn’t filled me with rage and despair, thank you.

fridgepants · 13/04/2022 15:01

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Pluvia · 13/04/2022 15:07

@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus, I agree with you. The moment the word 'sacred' was uttered my heart fell.

dementedma · 13/04/2022 15:08

Well done them

ChinstrapBobblehat · 13/04/2022 15:11

I absolutely acknowledge that some of the messaging is intrinsically problematic, and yes, all my SM algorithms seem to be serving up an alarming amount of far right Christian rhetoric. But it feels like this is the unfortunate corner you get backed into when continually faced with the doublethink and whatthefuckery that’s going on everywhere else in the liberal media.

I agree, @MoonbeamSprinkles, gratitude for crumbs is about where it’s at, but I’m still viewing this as good news for once.

Artichokeleaves · 13/04/2022 15:17

Hell yes!

And yeah I note the whittling about oh they're not sufficiently pure

Oh you're supporting children down mines being exploited by aliens gosh the shame of you

and celebrating women and empowering them is harmful to trans children and no mother should do it.....

For goodness sake get a bloody grip, this is getting beyond boring. I'll stand you one, free of charge.

aweegc · 13/04/2022 15:20

@BaronessBomburst

Has anyone got a link to the UK site mentioned upthread? I can't seem to find it. I'm in NL and Dutch customs will have a field day slapping on costs and import duties. If I can order from the UK site I can collect the necklace next time I'm over.

Better than that, here's the Dutch page!

nl.egardwatches.com/collections/accessories

SapphosRock · 13/04/2022 15:22

Wow. Incredible advert!

I hope Adam & Eve (the agency that made that God awful John Lewis home insurance advert) is taking note.

namechangeranonymouse · 13/04/2022 15:28

Brilliant. Needs showing everywhere.

aweegc · 13/04/2022 15:39

You can appreciate the fact the ad exists but still not but the product, if you have problems with it.

The Twitter post hashtags Matt Walsh (who incidentally is an Amazon LGBTQAI+ best seller..). That tells you where the political allegiances are.

Ad agencies will pay attention if there's traction on this though. They don't much about women’s rights either, they care only about increasing revenue for their clients. Only. If revenue would be increased by throwing women under the bus, they'd be on it. If it came from people painting their skin purple, they're be ads full of purple-painted people. The idea that this ad may be disingenuous is entirely correct! But find me an ad for a product/brand that isn't there to ultimately increase sales of that product/brand. Do you think advertising is some moral social project?!

And do we still have the idea we need to agree on everything with someone? I'm not going reject the fact that Earth is a sphere, because Putin says that too. But me agreeing with him on that issue doesn't mean I agree with him - or have to agree with him - on anything else.

BaronessBomburst · 13/04/2022 15:42

@aweegc thank you!
Although I am mulling over the pros and cons of supporting a WASP company in a bid to be heard.
On the other hand, short of buying organic and Fair Trade I've never considered the ethical and political stance of most of my purchases. When I try I sometimes think the only solution is to live on a commune in New Zealand and grow my own millet.
Would millet adversely affect the eco-systems in New Zealand?

MoonbeamSprinkles · 13/04/2022 15:54

Well I don’t think this company does agree with me on this issue.

I think that they believe that humans can’t change sex and I believe that too but that is where the similarities end.

I don’t believe in gender as an innate thing. I don’t believe in a ‘sacred womanhood’, I think that that idea is reductive and unhelpful.

I think gender is a prison whether it’s being pushed by the Christian Right or the TRA’s.

And I’m not going to applaud an advert that is celebrating narrow gender ideals simply because it also says you can’t change sex.