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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What is a Woman? Advert. The tide is truly turning...

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Appalonia · 13/04/2022 10:00

"Florida-based watch manufacturer Egard Watches has created an ad spot in defense of biological women’s rights.

What are the details?
The video opens with footage of accomplished women, including female athletes and others, and shows women through the decades and even centuries fighting for equal rights.

"What is a woman?" the female narrator says. "Is women's history of achievements quickly being erased? Is a woman a feminine force of nature? Is a woman a sister, a daughter, a mother? Is a woman the wonder of childbirth?"

"Is a woman a caregiver?" the narrator continues. "Is a woman a warrior who fought for her place?"

The video continues, "Is that now being taken away, soon to be forgotten? Is that not worth protecting? And how long do we sit idly by and not stand for the sacred value of womanhood as it loses all meaning?"

"Because we believe that womanhood is a birthright," the narrator concludes.

What else?
In a statement provided to Blaze Media, Egard CEO Ilan Srulovicz said, “The overwhelming majority of Americans are appalled by Big Tech, Big Business, and Big Government’s coordinated campaign to erase the hard-fought gains earned by untold millions of amazing women in our society."

"Yet, almost nobody is speaking for them," Srulovicz continued. "We crafted an ad campaign that celebrates our grandmothers, mothers, sisters, aunts, and daughters, and everything they represent to paint a stark contrast to the lies we are all being told."

Srulovicz added, "The push for transgender rights is no longer about equality, it’s now a cleverly-crafted lie that comes at the expense of women. We ask all Americans to join us to speak truth.”

This is a VERY powerful advert

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Jux · 13/04/2022 12:09

Haven't worn a watch for nearly 20 years. I think it's time I got one...

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 13/04/2022 12:10

[quote fridgepants]A poke around online suggests they are a pretty conservative/trad masculinity company, forgive me for being cynical www.reddit.com/r/advertising/comments/akfvfw/what_is_a_man_a_response_to_gillette_egard_watches/[/quote]
I hope this extends to the women that source their raw materials and make their products for them. Otherwise they're just using your movement to make money out of you.

Your secular piety and purity in this area is notable. I admire the amount of time you must spend interrogating every purchase and service that you choose.

Crimesean · 13/04/2022 12:19

I've ordered the necklace, and I'm thrilled - thanks for bringing it to my attention OP!

Chrysanthemum5 · 13/04/2022 12:22

@fridgepants Fair enough you don't like this company. But having been insulted by countless other companies (Monsoon, M&S, Lush, Body Shop, John Lewis) who expect me not to mind their prioritising men's ego over women's safety, I'm actually quite excited by a company that isn't lying to me

SelfPortraitWithPterodactyl · 13/04/2022 12:35

Christ, I am so tired of the posters who pop up on every bloody thread to point out that just because someone (politician, company, whatever) has said something true and sensible they are not automatically paragons of virtue or allies in every other way. For fuck's sake, WE KNOW. We are not - unlike some people, apparently - naive enough to assume that someone who says one right thing is a Good Person Who Can Do No Wrong. Seriously, if you see an advert that you approve of and automatically think that business must be worth supporting for every other reason that says a lot more about you and your approach to the world - and indeed, to my mind, suggests the sort of unsophisticated black-and-white thinking that is exacerbating the culture wars. We are recognising here that merely speaking the truth on this topic is unusual, and that we want to encourage it. Does that mean said truth-speaking is necessarily altruistically motivated? Obviously not. Is speaking a self-evident truth an exceptionally low fucking bar? Yes. Does it mean the speaker is a Good Person? Again, obviously not. 🙄 What we are rewarding is the action, the much-needed, refreshing and significant action - while also deploring the need for it and regretting that people who claim to be more charitably motivated can't go one better. We're not idiots, and we're not awarding a fucking sainthood.

Booboobibles · 13/04/2022 12:40

It’s really good advertising and now they’ve got free advertising on Mumsnet.

I really hope that none of your children come out as transgender.

Chrysanthemum5 · 13/04/2022 12:42

Why @Booboobibles? If one of them did then I'd love and support them, but I'd know they can't change sex and I'd not want them going onto a lifetime of medication or having fairly horrific surgery

Waitwhat23 · 13/04/2022 12:46

@selfportraitwithpterodactyl very well said.

doublemonkey · 13/04/2022 12:52

Never heard of them but they seem to make nice watches. I'm looking at the Colarado Aqua..🤔. I'm so happy they have the balls to say something.

They made this one too which is so prescient that I got goose bumps. I don't remember Ronald Reagan being this powerfull.

SquirrelFan · 13/04/2022 12:59

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FOJN · 13/04/2022 13:07

I hope this extends to the women that source their raw materials and make their products for them. Otherwise they're just using your movement to make money out of you.

For several years advertisers have been bullied/shamed into withdrawing adverts from platforms which hosted/supported women. MN itself walks a tightrope trying to maintain advertising revenue whilst giving us a space to talk about women's rights. Other companies have removed female specific language from packaging on products aimed at women as if it's something to be ashamed of but they still want our money.

Here is a company actually using targeted marketing to sell to women, they want our money and they are not ashamed to acknowledge our sex.

Are Always or Egard Watches the arsehole?

Rhannion · 13/04/2022 13:16

Wow that’s fantastic!

viques · 13/04/2022 13:21

[email protected]

They have my message! And if I wore a watch I would be buying one of theirs.

MrPanks · 13/04/2022 13:25

I need a new watch too...

viques · 13/04/2022 13:28

@Booboobibles

It’s really good advertising and now they’ve got free advertising on Mumsnet.

I really hope that none of your children come out as transgender.

And if they do I hope I would be able to be honest with them, tell them that sex can’t alter, to be careful about long term hormone use, don’t expect other people to validate your life choices for you and above all respect the rights of others to dignity, privacy, safety and consideration if you want those values to be mirrored back to you.
SunniDelite · 13/04/2022 13:29

I know that advertising is a cynical business based on making profit for themselves and their clients, and the ad is a bit plinky-plonky sentimental for my taste, but it's great to see the point of view of (what I think is) the vast majority of people exposed to the sunlight. I hope a few more advertisers will be bold enough to follow their lead......

viques · 13/04/2022 13:37

@fridgepants

I mean, a lot of people seem to be happy to vote Tory because they put their GC views before things like poverty/benefits cuts/NHS funding/taking away Surestart and numerous other things that IMO affect women far more. So maybe people think I'm on this thread to start an argument. I'm not. I just think this ad is playing you for suckers and there are so many woman-owned businesses out there who aren't just being GC for marketing purposes.
Coming the day after the monsoon debacle I find it refreshing that a company is prepared to say positive things about women and has decided the inevitable badmouthing is worth it, I am willing to take any positive move by any company, no matter if the concept was born out of commercial cynicism in the boardroom. Any pushback that starts the ball rolling is ok by me.

And I have never voted Tory in my life, and even though I cant bring myself to vote Labour at the moment the Tory option is not even on the furthest horizon.

ChipButtyCurrySauce · 13/04/2022 13:39

That video gave me goosebumps!!

FOJN · 13/04/2022 13:39

I really hope that none of your children come out as transgender.

Really, why? What do you think feminists are going to do to their children. You should get off the internet if you think defending women's rights is about denying transpeoples right to exist. Not one single poster here thinks that.

MangyInseam · 13/04/2022 13:40

[quote doublemonkey]Never heard of them but they seem to make nice watches. I'm looking at the Colarado Aqua..🤔. I'm so happy they have the balls to say something.

They made this one too which is so prescient that I got goose bumps. I don't remember Ronald Reagan being this powerfull.

[/quote] There's a tendency by people who think of themselves as progressives to dismiss him as just a shallow idiot, but he could be an extremely compelling speaker. And political speechwriters have gone down hill pretty spectacularly across political lines since then. It's almost a surprise to hear that kind of clear, unambiguous statement and good writing, with sentences of more than five words.
SpeckledlyHen · 13/04/2022 13:49

Wow - what an incredibly powerful advert

Whatsnewpussyhat · 13/04/2022 13:51

I really hope that none of your children come out as transgender

What does transgender actually mean? Because it seems to include anything from teen girls with mental health issues affected by social contagion to adult male cross dressers and AGP's?

What exactly is the tenuous link you think affects these entirely distinct demographics?

What make the 'first male trans MP' trans? He isn't changing his appearance or pronouns or has dysphoria. So other than his say so it's entirely fucking meaningless.

flyingbuttress43 · 13/04/2022 14:02

The important thing for me is that I could not imagine that advert being run a year ago. It is a sign of the tide finally turning.

IsabelaMadrigal · 13/04/2022 14:09

I do get the cynicism about advertisers motives, but ultimately it's a good message and the necklace is a nice product. Understated and classy. It's on my Christmas list now.

Misstache · 13/04/2022 14:10

I have to agree with some here feeling uneasy. The ad is almost exclusively white women with its centrepiece being the questioning of the first black woman to be appointed to the Supreme Court, an important part of black women’s history. The release of this ad seems timed to that and seems directly to be covering the extremely racist attacks on her by Republicans with the gloss of defending (white) womanhood. Her answer was silly but this ad is doing something else here. Note we also don’t see women marching in the labour movements, black women marching for Civil Rights, Latina women organizing against borders…it’s, other than sports (where they choose white gymnasts and swimmers and not black runners, gymnasts, or any black female athletes) all about childbirth, caring for elders, “feminine spirit” or whatever that was…aren’t black women part of this sacred womanhood? Other than the one woman at the end thrown in there this is an ad promoting the sacred role of white women within family to be caregivers and nurturers and uses that to establish a women’s history that ignores black women while attacking a black woman who has been called unqualified, a pedophile, etc. by white Republicans,

I’m sorry, but this ad is signalling a particular kind of white womanhood (all gender confirming, no lesbian couples here) and using it against a black woman. This isn’t women’s solidarity. And given how often the trans movement appropriates black womanhood and uses the argument “black women aren’t considered women either,” it’s horrible to leave black women out.

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