Wish I was at this lunch

[bumpertobumper]

How great would it be to hang out with "the witches they couldn't burn"
Screenshot from Suzanne Moore's insta

Oh, India is finally getting behind third spaces. This is really good news.

Terrific.

Brilliant, spaces that are women only. We could call them single sex, female spaces. I predict they'd be popular.

Looks like India has reinvented the wheel.

@Worrysaboutalot that backfired on him rather amusingly

Let's face it though. If there were 'terf' toilets, how long before IW et al declared that TERF never stood for 'trans exclusionary radical feminist' at all, against all evidence, and that the word was just a massive plot by GC feminists. They would rebrand terf as 'trans excellent rooms and facilities' (or something) and colonise those spaces too.

*I hate the use of the slur terf - I use it here in context of the thread linked in the post I am replying to.

There we go! Mixed sex women's spaces and female only ones, that works perfectly. Inclusion and accessibility for everyone. Bravo that TW.

Yes, let's amplify India. Transwomen approve of third spaces, this is clearly the way forward.

Absolutely we should amplify india

Didnt OJ say something similar

We should amplify that as well

Someone said haddock

Maybe it was haddock that said it

Does anyone pay him any attention anymore?

Can I ask. Do you genuinely buy into the notion that "we are the daughters of the witches you couldn't burn"?

Well, I have a several times great aunt who was charged with witchcraft & they didn’t burn her. But are you thinking literally?

Vlad
Literally or metaphorically?

And would be granddaughters at least surely?

Of course I don't mean literally. I mean in a more metaphorical sense. Because that statement (in the metaphorical) is pretty terrifying to me.

@MiladyBerserko

Vlad Literally or metaphorically?

And would be granddaughters at least surely?

I dunno…my mum did sound like the wicked witch of the west when she laughed

My GM could certainly hex people who annoyed her. She'd tut and Look and the postman used to come over all peculiar.

@VladmirsPoutine

Of course I don't mean literally. I mean in a more metaphorical sense. Because that statement (in the metaphorical) is pretty terrifying to me.

Well, if you look at how much hate feminists get from the misogynists and transactivists… and the death threats and rape threats and attempts to take our livelihoods away…

I was sitting in the Speakers Corner event venue when the protesters outside were shouting BURN IT DOWN. And that feels pretty mild now compared to what happened at the Jam Jar or to WPUK at the Labour conference.
Terf is the new witch - it’s the word men & their woman allies use to dehumanise women they can’t control.

The University of Edinburgh completed a project into those accused of being witches across Scotland -

witches.is.ed.ac.uk/

witches.shca.ed.ac.uk/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.accusedform

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/19/executed-witches-scotland-pardons-witchcraft-act

From the article above -

'Claire Mitchell QC, who leads the Witches of Scotland campaign, said it was seeking pardons, apologies and a national monument to the mainly female victims of the witch-hunts. “Per capita, during the period between the 16th and 18th century, we [Scotland] executed five times as many people as elsewhere in Europe, the vast majority of them women,” she told the Sunday Times.

“To put that into perspective, in Salem 300 people were accused and 19 people were executed. We absolutely excelled at finding women to burn in Scotland. Those executed weren’t guilty, so they should be acquitted.”

” He's not making a point. He's just angry with women having any agency at all.”

That rings true
He makes it his business to name rape and sexual abuse accusers. The Alex Salmond trial and also naming the women involved with the Julian Assange case on Newsnight.
He hates women.

We're still doing the Form of Womanhood.

Everyone,

It is a good argument to point out that many cis women don't "pass", especially given it is a subjective and a misogynistic patriarchal standard, and that this means bathroom bills are a danger to all women

It's NOT OK to point at a woman and say she looks like a man

So we've got a lot here. Many women (says Katy) don't "pass". Is the intended implication that they look like and are mistaken for ordinary men, or they mistaken for transwomen/male transitioners? Or is it, as I suspect, that Katy means that "many women" don't dress in a way that would indicate (to Katy) that they are "cis" and desire she/her pronouns to be used.

It's all about the Form. Many of us women don't bother with it. But the Form is all-important to Katy, so I think Katy means that many women are immediately recognisable as female, but inconsiderately dress in such a way that Katy cannot reliably tell the difference between them and a female who identifies as non-binary.

I wonder if Katy is going to have a word with Willoughby. Willoughby has been doing quite a lot of pointing at women and telling them they look like men!

subjective and a misogynistic patriarchal standard, and that this means bathroom bills are a danger to all women

Bathroom bills? Is this a sign that KM is planning to move the the US? I endorse this move.

many women are immediately recognisable as female, but inconsiderately dress in such a way that Katy cannot reliably tell the difference between them and a female who identifies as non-binary.

It could be that women are not conforming appropriately to uphold the necessary stereotypes. Put it another way, in a nudist camp there's very little confusion about anyone's sex.

It could also be that women are better at recognising sex. Unsurprisingly, really. I can imagine evolution would (quite quickly) select for females who can better recognise potential threat and reproductive opportunity. A male has far less to lose, looking at it through an evolutionary perspective, in mistaking the sex of another human.

@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus

subjective and a misogynistic patriarchal standard, and that this means bathroom bills are a danger to all women

Bathroom bills? Is this a sign that KM is planning to move the the US? I endorse this move.

Probably just pandering to their mostly American following, like LOJ.

It could be that women are not conforming appropriately to uphold the necessary stereotypes.

It's just yet more obfustication to wrest females out of having boundaries that inconvenience the desires of males.

The point sailing over Katy's head is that the room is for female humans. Who come in all shapes and forms and may or may not be performing femininity to the standard of whoever feels entitled to appoint themselves judge, it's irrelevant. They're still female.

Making it all about looks enables the argument of you can't say no to males because you might negatively affect a masculine looking female. Weaponising people's concern to not be accidentally unkind and to worry about are they body shaming and muddying the waters yet again - all to serve male people not encountering boundaries.

No. Female people in female spaces. Additional mixed sex spaces for those who want them.

I've also yet never met anyone who tries this line who has an answer to the obvious fact that until very recently female people never needed to be suspicious about whether their single sex space had been invaded by a male person.

I wonder why that has now become something necessary for females?

And I suspect that the massive majority of females, however they appear, will be happy to reassure and will not do things such as, just for example, take selfies of themselves brandishing swords with threats as to what will happen if a woman dares to breathe wrong.