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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Wish I was at this lunch

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bumpertobumper · 10/04/2022 19:52

How great would it be to hang out with "the witches they couldn't burn" GrinWine
Screenshot from Suzanne Moore's insta

Wish I was at this lunch
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Manicsfan · 12/04/2022 15:02

If I knew Helen Joyce had a phone, I'd have never bought her book. Duplicitous cowbag.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 12/04/2022 15:17

@Manicsfan

If I knew Helen Joyce had a phone, I'd have never bought her book. Duplicitous cowbag.
Off topic but I thoroughly enjoyed the account of how her son set up the audio recording for the audio book. Blankets for acoustic control, the proverbial cupboard under the stairs in default of a studio, it all sounded very Harry Potter. Grin
SirSamVimesCityWatch · 12/04/2022 15:18

@Manicsfan

If I knew Helen Joyce had a phone, I'd have never bought her book. Duplicitous cowbag.
GrinGrinGrin
Slothtoes · 12/04/2022 15:51

Wait a second, what was I thinking?
Oi… BunnyBerries why didn’t you invite more of us to your newspapers lunch party?
I’ve been posting on here since it were fields! And we see you’ve been enjoying a packet of Tunnocks! God. Such non inclusive tea cakes with their privileged silver foil wrapping. Educate yourself! Bin yourself! Do better!

Roseglen84 · 12/04/2022 16:04

@NotBadConsidering

The Twitter hashtag #MadAngryCry is worth a look 🤣🤣
It's so strange - they are just showing up how fragile and unstable they are that they would be so angry or cry at the thought that a group of women they didn't like got together to have lunch.

It's just bonkers!

BunnyBerries · 12/04/2022 16:16

Oh @Slothtoes thank you for checking my privilege...Don't have a mad angry cry at me. I'd need more than six teacakes anyway, to get all this lot in. I think I'll just ask everyone to bring a humble traybake for entry.

DomesticatedZombie · 12/04/2022 16:18

The parable of the teacakes shows truly how one can verily shareth a box of six and lo it shall feedeth all the socks.

Slothtoes · 12/04/2022 16:21

Grin Grin Grin

Slothtoes · 12/04/2022 16:26

I can’t ever eat less than 3 Tunnocks’ even for a snack. And this is a deeply unapologetic witches’ LUNCH we are talking about.

I’ll bring extra boxes for the other 5.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 12/04/2022 16:27

You absolute bunch of witches. Do you have any idea how much I want to eat a tunnocks tea cake now?? Bunch of bastards.

FOJN · 12/04/2022 16:30

I'm confused. I thought a box of six Tunnocks was a single serving AND all of your 5 a day.

Waitwhat23 · 12/04/2022 16:34

I'll raise you a Tunnocks Coconut Snowball. Even better than a teacake.

BootsAndRoots · 12/04/2022 16:35

Whether they are campaigners or not, this is a group of women who have been hounded and abused for having opinions the vast majority of the public agree with.

The fact that the vocal few are angry really shows their fragility.It's too easy to upset them, but we already knew this.

BunnyBerries · 12/04/2022 16:36

Of course, witches,
all we shall need is Bellatrix's vault's Gemino curse and all the teacakes shall henceforth multiply upon touching them, ad infinitum

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 12/04/2022 16:37

@Waitwhat23

I'll raise you a Tunnocks Coconut Snowball. Even better than a teacake.
I am prepared to announce publicly that I am ready to disavow any promotion of dried coconut (tastes like soap to me).
PurgatoryOfPotholes · 12/04/2022 16:39

@MamaSaidTheredBeDaysLikeThis

twitter.com/soniasodha/status/1513781071720103938

Turns out he’s a former British ambassador.

Afternoon! Catching up, and I followed this link.

So Sonia says:
This is a former British ambassador quote tweeting a woman who works for refugees and campaigns against sex trafficking with a fifth of his follower count, telling her to check her privilege. I’m breaking my no-negative-QT rule here because this behaviour needs calling out.

He's quote-tweeted Onjali Raúf! And he's lecturing her on the situation for women across the world

This is a thread on Onjali Raúf from barely a month ago.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4490668-How-trans-activists-in-publishing-hijacked-a-childrens-book-competition-to-pursue-a-personal-vendetta

DomesticatedZombie · 12/04/2022 16:42

Yep, he's a doofus.

Wrongfully arrested after a shockingly Machiavellian campaign by the Scottish Gov; I protested his arrest then and I'd do it again, but a sexist doofus nonetheless.

BunnyBerries · 12/04/2022 16:42

Thanks for that link again PurgatoryOfPotholes I knew I remembered her name from here. What a piece of work he is.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 12/04/2022 16:44

@DomesticatedZombie

Yep, he's a doofus.

Wrongfully arrested after a shockingly Machiavellian campaign by the Scottish Gov; I protested his arrest then and I'd do it again, but a sexist doofus nonetheless.

Secret Barrister makes the point that advances in law and the resolution of injustices all too often involve people who are deeply unpleasant or with whom one might not wish to be associated but everyone recognises (as you do) that that has nothing to do with how fairly the legal/justice system should treat them.
materialgirrlz · 12/04/2022 17:06

@WeightRose

The lunch was at The River Café which does have a Michelin star

I've been and it's very nice Smile

Interesting that they chose a venue with gender neutral toilets, there's no ladies or gents simply pink or blue doors.

What's your point?
PurgatoryOfPotholes · 12/04/2022 17:07

Murray has in fact quote-tweeted Onjali Raúf twice. I don't know if she's travelled "the world over", but I know she's spent a lot of time physically volunteering in refugee camps. And the British government wasn't paying her to be there.

I might have a Mad Angry Cry in a minute.

While I get myself under control, here's an extract from one of her speeches. I'll let you decide who of the two – Murray or Raúf – is more of an authority on the situation of women across the world who don't have smartphones. (Ye gods and goddesses, is he going to say that Ukrainians shouldn't be offered refuge if they have smartphones, or ever frequented nice restaurants in Ukraine before the invasion?)

extract

As a woman of faith – whose God, may I please remind everyone, IS genderless, I have zero problems with anyone who is anything ‘other’ than me.

If you’re a man who wants to step out of the socially constructed He-Man box that is ‘man’ to make a home in the socially constructed box of ‘woman’, then go for it.

But please, please, please, don’t do so to invade a space that women are still fighting so hard for.

Create your own space – a third space – a fifth space – a seventh space – one which caters to your own unique experiences and needs too – because you will have plenty of both that we as women won’t understand or share in too.

Or better yet, take space from the men – they have lots!

And please don’t pretend that my own experiences of transforming from girl to woman – and all the millions of tiny hurts and pains and prejudices and pushbacks all women have suffered as a result of being a girl, then woman, can be shared by you either.

Whether it’s toilets or changing rooms, specialist services or a refuge, school toilets or prison cells or hospital wards, it’s vital women’s uniqueness, lives and wants be as respected as you want your uniqueness, lives and wants to be respected.

As someone working with women fleeing domestic violence and war, human trafficking rings, childhood sexual abuse and a million and one other experiences of male-inflicted violence in between, our under-funded, drastically reducing, single-sex spaces are literally our last vestiges of safety.

For women who have been punched, beaten, raped, and broken at every possible level you can conceive, to be forced to accept former men as part of their healing process, will, to put it bluntly, lead to further trauma, or worse still, a distrust and turning away from the very services they believed might help them.

And I have to ask our policy makers, our parliament, and organisations like Stonewall and basically any human being with a shred of humanity: really?

Do these women’s needs and the needs of the young boys and girls they bring with them, really matter so little to you?

Aren’t they just as important as those wanting to be granted access to our worlds? And not only access – but special rules and allowances too?

As I look around in today’s world, I see more and more bewildered women and girls feeling confused, alienated and afraid.

Women like myself and my Sikh or Hindu or Jewish friends who need single-space places to safely unveil, wash up and reconfigure ourselves; or women who are breastfeeding and lactating and needing a space to let it all hang out; or women going through the menopause or chemotherapy who need safe spaces to just be looked after, or young girls on their first ever periods or sprouting breasts who need space for support and reassurance.

Or every woman ever, who needs a safe space like this to come and meet and talk about our fears and battles, and hopefully create better policies and movements for our future women.

Even the smallest annihilation of the basic right to be a woman in the presence of other women can have dire impacts on our health and state of mind.

A case in point: three weeks ago, I took a dear friend to lunch.

All was going well, we were having a beautiful time, and halfway through the meal, she left to go to the restaurant bathroom.

The woman that came back, was not the same one who left the luncheon table: for instead of the carefree, happy being I knew, came back a pale, quiet and slightly shaken version.

It transpired the restaurant had a gender ‘neutral’ bathroom, and as she had made her way down, a very innocent man had walked out of the toilets, banging into her.

Nothing of any significance to anyone watching – not until I tell you that this friend of two decades, had been raped in her university dorm room at the age of twenty, and feared all contact with men – no matter how nice, kind, friendly, non-threatening or ‘effeminate’ they might seem.

Continues: www.womansplaceuk.org/2019/10/01/the-sheer-audacity-of-our-existence/

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/04/2022 17:11

Wrongfully arrested after a shockingly Machiavellian campaign by the Scottish Gov; I protested his arrest then and I'd do it again, but a sexist doofus nonetheless.

Yes I agree. What a dick.

NotAGirl · 12/04/2022 17:19

@Rainbowshit

Those photos are so joyful and full of care for each other. I guess that's why certain people are absolutely full of rage on Twitter.

Not a lesbian but I've had a crush on Liane ever since that demo where the iconic picture of her was taken.

Agreed massive crush, that picture showed a woman comfortable in her own skin giving 0 fucks about pleasing the patriarchy 😍
Nnique · 12/04/2022 17:36

Reading through the thread again I’m feeling even more joyful. Even more proud, truly, to stand amongst such strong, courageous, beautiful women of absolute integrity. Together we are STRONG.

Bloody, at times, but always and forever, unflinching and unbowed.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 12/04/2022 18:32

Embarrassing

Secret Barrister makes the point that advances in law and the resolution of injustices all too often involve people who are deeply unpleasant or with whom one might not wish to be associated but everyone recognises (as you do) that that has nothing to do with how fairly the legal/justice system should treat them.

I completely agree with you in principle, although I sometimes find the application of the ethics difficult to stomach.

However, I begin to suspect that Craig does not. In between finalising his holiday preparations (he leaves today), he did a twitter thread.

If you would, please chorus You're spoiling us, former Ambassador on the count of 3.

1,2,3! Thank you. As you were.

excerpt from Craig Murray's thread

My mistake was to take exception to a tweet showing Suzanne Moore and J K Rowling having a swanky lunch while portraying them as victims.
By querying their heroes, I infuriated the anti-trans lobby.

I dislike Moore very much for the horrible Blairite bile she poured continually on Corbyn and the relentless campaign against Julian Assange, even when he is in prison. Moore is an awful Establishment bully.
Rowling is a Blairite and a Unionist.
I don't like them to be lionised.

(SEVERAL TWEETS OMITTED)

But the unreasonableness that is manifesting itself now really makes that sort of understanding very difficult. What worries me is this. If I attract so much hatred for querying the sainthood of Rowling and Moore, how much more hatred is directed at trans people?

twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1513648335269289997?t=AGsXQcYz5dNAdtk9vA-zWQ&s=19

Thread there, if you can bear it. So this is all ultimately about how he doesn't like JK and Suzanne, so he doesn't care if they (or, by extension, women who associate with either of them) suffer injustice.

As for "hatred of trans people", I suggest that he watches this video of Onjali Raúf giving that speech I quoted above. You can hear the hateful voices screaming outside, and hear them hammering on the windows.

P.S. Like vast numbers of people, I can't afford to go on holiday, Craig...

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