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Radio 4 now Veronica Ivy interview

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lovelyweathertoday · 09/04/2022 08:43

Ivy is very upset that the interviewer think transwomen are not male.

Not sure why they are interviewing VI.

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tabbycatstripy · 09/04/2022 08:49

This person used to go by the name of Rachel McKinnon and (allegedly) celebrated the death of a 35 year old woman from an aggressive brain tumour. Charmer.

tabbycatstripy · 09/04/2022 08:50

Presenter is pushing back hard.

tabbycatstripy · 09/04/2022 08:53

They don’t have to dominate to cheat. A 40 year old male competing against 20 year old females might not win, because that person might not be very good. That doesn’t make it fair competition.

Loopytiles · 09/04/2022 08:55

Don’t understand your OP.

LunaLights · 09/04/2022 08:58

Why would transwoman VI (formerly RM) be upset that the interviewer thinks transwomen are not male?

VI claims to be not male, and is extremely and aggressively public about it.

VI even changed VIs name (again) to 2 female names as VI was upset at being called McKinnon (as it was too masculine).

Could also include references to wishing people death in a grease fire, but won’t.

Rightsraptor · 09/04/2022 08:58

I think it became clear that they were interviewing VI as the opposition to Sharron Davies who was on afterwards. There is a thread about this. Sharron was very good.

tabbycatstripy · 09/04/2022 09:02

Sharon was good. Obviously yes, in response to that question, we are saying TW should never be allowed to compete in elite women’s sport. The central argument against this is that they become female by reducing testosterone levels - that’s clearly nonsense.

What we are not doing is trying to exclude them from sport. If a TW competes in male sport, I’d be very happy to see them win.

Linguini · 09/04/2022 10:46

@tabbycatstripy

This person used to go by the name of Rachel McKinnon and (allegedly) celebrated the death of a 35 year old woman from an aggressive brain tumour. Charmer.
This is not alleged.

Rachel McKinnon posted a gif of a smiling skeleton dancing and clapping on a grave with the words "Magdalen burns has died!"

Linguini · 09/04/2022 10:47

Shortly after that they changed their name....

By the way OP didn't you mean to write
Ivy is very upset that the interviewer think transwomen are not female ...?

Linguini · 09/04/2022 10:49

Rachel McKinnon also said terfs should die in a grease fire...

Other thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4525383-radio-4-now-veronica-ivy-interview

tabbycatstripy · 09/04/2022 10:56

Why are they all so obsessed with fires, bins and dog shit?

Signalbox · 09/04/2022 10:57

So Ivy thinks that changing one's legal sex via an administrative process simultaneously removes any physical advantages that person may have acquired during a testosterone-driven puberty.

How can anyone take anything this person says seriously.

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lovelyweathertoday · 09/04/2022 11:07

@Linguini

Shortly after that they changed their name....

By the way OP didn't you mean to write
Ivy is very upset that the interviewer think transwomen are not female ...?

Blush sorry I think I did! Then saw another thread with Sharron Davies in the title and promptly forgot about this one!

Shouldn't post when not properly awake!

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nepeta · 09/04/2022 14:11

Veronica Ivy (as Rachel McKinnon, I assume that is not deadnaming) has written at least one opinion piece in the New York Times on sports issues. What I remember from that piece is that she wrote that her own sex marker in her medical records is female.

That made me concerned because if that is true there might well be mistakes made in her future care when the proper treatment depends on biological sex.

Crcohetmonster · 09/04/2022 14:18

Ivy is an angry little pickle isn’t Ivy.

Somanysocks · 09/04/2022 14:21

Why change your name to Ivy when you have such 'poison'ous views.

Crcohetmonster · 09/04/2022 14:26

@Somanysocks

Why change your name to Ivy when you have such 'poison'ous views.
Because ivy has the intelligence of a plant.
Somanysocks · 09/04/2022 14:30

But it makes it so easy for ridicule.

SpinningTheSeedsOfLove · 09/04/2022 14:41

@tabbycatstripy

Why are they all so obsessed with fires, bins and dog shit?
It's like FBI Profiling 101
ZaraSizeMedium · 09/04/2022 14:50

Just listened to this on catch up, Sharron Davies was wonderful, I was delighted she had the last word and made her point very well.

donquixotedelamancha · 09/04/2022 14:52

This person used to go by the name of Rachel McKinnon and (allegedly) celebrated the death of a 35 year old woman from an aggressive brain tumour

No allegedly (as PP says), it a matter of public record, Ivy repeatedly refused to apologise for horrific abuse up to and just after Magdalen Burn's, justifying it because MB was a GC feminist and therefore evil.

Ivy lost her job as a tenured professor (very hard to do) because of bullying students and failure to comply with the most basic expectations of the role. She was an estate agent, last I heard.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 09/04/2022 15:24

Also told lesbians that they should 'learn to cope' with having sex with a penis.

ScrollingLeaves · 09/04/2022 15:26

Signalbox

So Ivy thinks that changing one's legal sex via an administrative process simultaneously removes any physical advantages that person may have acquired during a testosterone-driven puberty.

How can anyone take anything this person says seriously.

She also unbelievably said that that a certificate changes your sex biologically!

They were very domineering and aggressive in their tone.

BoreOfWhabylon · 09/04/2022 15:46

Sharron was great! Nick Robinson (interviewer) did brilliantly too. He's really done his homework on this, as has Justin Fletcher, who also presents the programme.

BordoisAgain · 09/04/2022 15:46

Wasn't Ivy's "life partner" found to be massively dodgy?