Radio 4 now Veronica Ivy interview

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Ivy is very upset that the interviewer think transwomen are not male.

Not sure why they are interviewing VI.

@NotBadConsidering

*I hope Emma Pearce gets Ivy on and asks Ivy about Ivy’s bullying of a teenage girl:

www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1380423005176758272*.

I just read what you posted. It is shocking that the person in question has a job at a university. Their conduct is awful and unprofessional.

The person seems to behave like a thug.

It is shocking that the person in question has a job at a university

They had a tenure at a university but they took "a sabbatical" during which time they resigned rather than be fined $40,000 and be fired.
Did a bit of DARVO online about being so happy their resignation was accepted by such a terrible transphobic institution.

They lost tenure which is really really hard to do.

No idea what they do now mind you. Might be another university but employment prospects are vastly reduced.

Reminds me of another prolific TRA who was struck off because everyone else is transphobic....

According to Outsports:

Ivy is working as a diversity and inclusion instruction consultant these days.

www.outsports.com/platform/amp/trans/2022/4/8/23002365/dr-veronica-ivy-cycling-uci-ncaa-trans-inclusion-canada-lia-thomas-activism-media

And this from a WGSS conference:

Ivy also engages in advocacy and activism for trans and intersex athletes. Her message is that #SportIsAHumanRight. She brings a unique perspective of being an academic, an athlete, and an activist to her work. She advises various national and international organizations, including the International Olympic Committee

Bit of a worry if Ivy is “advising” the IOC.

news.illinoisstate.edu/2022/04/womens-gender-and-sexuality-studies-symposium-celebrating-25-years-with-artists-authors-advocates/

Twitter bio says “real estate”.

TheAbbotOfUnreason "Nothing to see here …"

Quite a bit more to see now. This is not a well person.

Ivy accusing Robinson of delivering a “brutal” and “hostile” interview.

What did Ivy think they would get from Nick Robinson but hard-hitting questions aimed at getting to the truth? It’s not a fluffy interview, is it?

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He is really, really fat. Like obese.

The fact a massively overweight man (seriously, look up the photos of him at the start of a race with someone poor sod struggling to hold his bike up) can beat healthy weight women proves conclusively that anyone who has been through male puberty has an advantage and should not be allowed to shit up our spots.

He needs to get his Mom to stop giving him so many chicken tendies, FFS. He's massive.

I used to see Ivy's opinion pieces (under the name Rachel McKinnon) in places like the New York Times and Washington Post when nobody from the other side would get column space for a response.

No Ross Tucker -type experts on sex differences in performance in certain sports, but Veronica Ivy was given space where they argued that they are biologically female, too, as their medical information has the 'female' box ticked, and where they argued that sports is never about fairness and what about Michael Phelps and his wing span.

That made me cross. I am still furious, but now I also feel sad for Ivy. The current gender ideology framing does not allow us to notice that it is ultimately destructive for some on the other side, too.

The current gender ideology framing does not allow us to notice that it is ultimately destructive for some on the other side, too.

It is destructive, yes. Allowing someone to fully believe in something that doesn’t reflect material reality and therefore depends on others being obligated to agree with your version of the world is harmful. The belief also in that the collective society needs to redefine itself, and the very words already very well established (and not derogatory words) used to define the world, to suit you is also harmful.

The belief also in that the collective society needs to redefine itself, and the very words already very well established (and not derogatory words) used to define the world, to suit you is also harmful.

Very much agree on that. It's now difficult to write about many feminist topics when the words which once just sat there, clearly defined and simple, waiting to be slotted into the sentences in their proper places, are now lurking in the shadows, slipping through my fingers, and morphing into other words with a completely different meanings. We need agreement about what commonly used words mean if we are to communicate with others.

That the new definitions are almost always also deeply sexist makes this much worse. But the annoying extra effort needed and the clumsy sentences which still cannot be avoided are in themselves a cost forced upon us by a small minority with astonishing power.

With complaints to the BBC - in their responses they are claiming that their 'style guide' makes them call men she etc.

Isn't it clear that this is immediately a conflict? - their style guide is forcing them to lie, whereas the BBC Charter includes a commitment to impartiality.

Well they can't have it both ways. Gaslighting their listeners, in pretending that men are women in interviews, in NOT impartiality. It is propaganda.

Let's all keep complaining (not necessarily about this item, but about woman's hour etc), and keep complaining. Until they get their stupid 'Style Guide' changed.

twitter.com/CarolineRussell/status/1512702854011760640?t=pHH8e_ooQ8_P1CRFSp7Bzg&s=19

This woman is agreeing with VI. Unbelievable.

@Petrarkanian

twitter.com/CarolineRussell/status/1512702854011760640?t=pHH8e_ooQ8_P1CRFSp7Bzg&s=19

This woman is agreeing with VI. Unbelievable.

Green Party loon.

I am concerned that Woman’s Hour will choose to host Ivy and not balance their show with one of the many well respected women who are fighting for women’s sport to remain female only. I am all for Ivy to do a repeat performance of their points with Emma as long as there is actually a woman also given equal time and footing. I notice though Dr Emma Hilton has not been approached. But there are several female athletes that are very good at articulating their views and what female athletes need.

Ivy does great work for their cause, just like Lavery. Two academics with a habit of making highly misogynistic statements while declaring themselves to be ‘women’. And Ivy goes even further to claim to be female if I remember correctly.

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The fact that that tweet was stating Ivy was ‘calm and clear’ leads me to think they either are lying deliberately or have a very low bar for calm and clear.

Or maybe she was confused and thought Sharron Davies was Ivy? Because Sharron was clear and actually pretty calm compared to her interview on the Scottish program this week.

@Helleofabore

Petrarkanian

The fact that that tweet was stating Ivy was ‘calm and clear’ leads me to think they either are lying deliberately or have a very low bar for calm and clear.

Or maybe she was confused and thought Sharron Davies was Ivy? Because Sharron was clear and actually pretty calm compared to her interview on the Scottish program this week.

No point trying to make sense of anything th Koolid gang say-they are all fucking barking.

I agree with other posters, BBC please give Ivy a wider platform, how about restaging this interview on the One Show?

Ivy is a fantastic ambassador for the batshittery and sheer entitled narcissism of gender ideology, and with absolutely zero self awareness. Carry on I say.

I vaguely knew about Rachel McKinnon and have always thought WTF but didn’t realise they’d been quite as obnoxious as they had, and since changed their name. I really don’t understand why this person is given air time especially when none of what they say makes sense and if you’re a woman you do know how to be kind, that’s probably how we’ve ended up in this mess.
However Sharon Davies was fabulous, straight to the point and all about it being fair. Surely sunlight is coming….

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I vaguely knew about Rachel McKinnon and have always thought WTF but didn’t realise they’d been quite as obnoxious as they had, and since changed their name. I really don’t understand why this person is given air time especially when none of what they say makes sense and if you’re a woman you do know how to be kind, that’s probably how we’ve ended up in this mess. However Sharon Davies was fabulous, straight to the point and all about it being fair. Surely sunlight is coming….

Too right it is. Thing is, all these fuckwits think they are advancing their cause-I mean, what reasonable person could possibly object to erasure, rapists in womens prisons, blokes running rape crisis units, kids on medical conveyor belts, men stealing sports places etc.-this is all totally fine and dandy. Isn't it?

Maybe I'm being oversensitive but Caroline Russell seemed to threaten someone in that thread of tweets.

Sharon is being fabulous as always

I missed the introduction part of the segment on R4 on Sat morning and didn't realise it was Ivy. Like many casual listeners, all I heard was an aggressive male voice denying the evidence of everyone's eyes (that male puberty confers an advantage), laughably unable to answer the basic question of why mens and womens sport categories exist in the first place, and completely unable to empathise with female athletes.

Quite impressive, in a way, to be that unaware of how you come across.

The massive and sudden weight gain, in an athlete, is very concerning.

There really ought to be urgent research done into the effects on men of regular oestrogen overdose.

Grace Lavery and Jazz Jennings have also become morbidly obese in a short space of time. It's a potential major health issue that should be looked into.

seriously, look up the photos of him at the start of a race with someone poor sod struggling to hold his bike up

Then look up the video of the poor sod failing to hold it up 🤣🤣🤣