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DomesticatedZombie · 04/04/2022 09:35

Welcome.

If you're new to Mumsnet and/or the 'gender' debate, and have questions, fire away.

Plenty of knowledgable women here happy to help you out.

We can provide links, evidence and explainers for many of the issues, and point you to further actions and ways to help.

Dive in!

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VeronicaBeccabunga · 04/04/2022 18:21

Thank you for all the links and all the support.
I raised my GC head above the parapet on Facebook earlier and now I'm hiding away, shaken by the hateful responses.
How JKR, Birdie, and all the many other brave and outspoken women deal with this daily I really do not know. Kudos and love to them all.
MN has been an eye-opener and a huge source of info, my thanks.

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DomesticatedZombie · 04/04/2022 18:54

I'm sorry, Veronica. . Thank you for standing up for women.

On Facebook, there are some helpful groups if you search for 'gender critical' feminists, or rad fem groups, or for some of the organisations listed above.

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Waitwhat23 · 04/04/2022 18:55

I always find these helpful for the inevitable 'there's no such thing as women's safe spaces' nonsense -

Protected characteristics - Equality Act

www.gov.uk/discrimination-your-rights

Single sex exemptions - Equality Act
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/notes/division/3/16/20/7

Occupational requirements - Equality Act
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/notes/division/3/16/26/1

PotholeParadies · 04/04/2022 18:59

Feminist goals, and organisations which are working towards them: a thread of female-centred charities

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4184062-Feminist-goals-and-organisations-which-are-working-towards-them

picklemewalnuts · 04/04/2022 19:03

Are any posts pinned on the FWR areas? This one could be, along with other really useful ones. Sorry if they already are- I tend not to notice such things.

Waitwhat23 · 04/04/2022 19:05

Regarding single sex spaces, the most recent (in the last couple of days) advice from EHRC -

www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/advice-and-guidance/separate-and-single-sex-service-providers-guide-equality-act-sex-and-gender?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Orlo

HenriettaTriceratops · 04/04/2022 19:08

Thank you very much. It's really helpful to have everything in one place.

Waitwhat23 · 04/04/2022 19:13

Information regarding males being placed in the female prison estate -

kpssinfo.org/

fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-prison-policy-judicial-review-ruling-confirms-trans-rights-do-conflict-with-womens-rights/

womansplaceuk.org/2021/07/07/womens-prisons-male-transgender-prisoners/

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DomesticatedZombie · 04/04/2022 19:14

Jane-Clare Jones wrote an entertaining explainer of recent history:

janeclarejones.com/2018/11/13/the-annals-of-the-terf-wars/

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DomesticatedZombie · 04/04/2022 19:16

Endocrine Society statement:

'Sex is an important biological variable that must be considered in the design and analysis of human and animal research. The terms sex and gender should not be used interchangeably. Sex is dichotomous, with sex determination in the fertilized zygote stemming from unequal expression of sex chromosomal genes. By contrast, gender includes perception of the individual as male, female, or other, both by the individual and by society; both humans and animals have sex, but only humans have gender. '

academic.oup.com/edrv/article/42/3/219/6159361

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DomesticatedZombie · 04/04/2022 19:18

Dentons is an international law firm that has done some interesting work on transgender issues:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4059873-Deep-Dive-on-the-Dentons-document

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Waitwhat23 · 04/04/2022 20:34

GRA reforms specific to Scotland

Reform to the GRA - background
murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/gender-recognition-act-reform/

The results of the 1st consultation (from 201), I am unable to find.

The analysis of the 2nd consultation are below-

www.gov.scot/publications/gender-recognition-reform-scotland-bill-analysis-responses-public-consultation-exercise/

Slightly astoundingly, we appear to now be on the 3rd consultation process -
www.heraldscotland.com/politics/20007955.gender-recognition-reform-scotland-bill-consultation-opens/

However, Nicola Sturgeon has claimed that the SNP were voted in on the basis that there would be GRA reform -
www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-wrong-say-snp-25929807

And our First Minister is on record as believing that women's concerns 'aren't valid'.
www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19955525.nicola-sturgeon-facing-revolt-gender-bill-rebels-seek-free-vote/

Meanwhile, the UK Government have dropped reform -
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9079/

Cagedbirdsinging · 05/04/2022 01:02

Merched Cymru is supporting and informing women in Wales .

Pixiedust1234 · 05/04/2022 01:34

Wow, thank you for putting all this information on one thread

GAHgamel · 05/04/2022 04:40

[quote DomesticatedZombie]Jane-Clare Jones wrote an entertaining explainer of recent history:

janeclarejones.com/2018/11/13/the-annals-of-the-terf-wars/[/quote]
It's fabulous, but that was more than 3 years ago, and so much has happened since then. I'm kind of hoping there's an updated version in the book she's writing.

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DomesticatedZombie · 05/04/2022 08:29

Info on Scottish feminists network

scottishfeministnetwork.co.uk/

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Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky · 05/04/2022 08:38

Handy graphics on the sport issue

Waitwhat23 · 05/04/2022 08:45

Athletic teenage High School boys and female olympians -
boysvswomen.com/#/

You will see again and again - 'None of the women's finals performances met the qualifying time to enter the boys' competition'.

And for some of the swimming events - 'The top women's time set a new women's world record; however, 3 boys, ages 18, 16, & 16 were able to top it.'

Waitwhat23 · 05/04/2022 08:50

Infographic about the differences between male and female bodies.

To be clear, the last few posts about differences in women and men in sporting events is to counter the argument (often seen espoused by MRA's on this board) that there are no differences between men and women and that women 'just aren't trying hard enough'. It's also to evidence the need for safety in women's sport.