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[DomesticatedZombie]

Welcome.

If you're new to Mumsnet and/or the 'gender' debate, and have questions, fire away.

Plenty of knowledgable women here happy to help you out.

We can provide links, evidence and explainers for many of the issues, and point you to further actions and ways to help.

Dive in!

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Lots of GC accounts on instagram, presenting unbiased facts about the debate and issues in the news at present

What a brilliant idea. Thank you for thread DomesticatedZombie.

Lest we forget. The formidable Magdalene Berns, who sadly died in 2019. She made a serious of pithy, sweary and very informative videos available on YouTube.

www.youtube.com/channel/UCvTTakI97sQ4SkMnsH8r0qQ

This is Alex Drummond, a very comfortably off counsellor with a beard and attitude. AD is ‘widening the bandwidth of what it is to be female’.

Women's Declaration International:

womensdeclaration.com/en/about/

(A recent Green Party motion, thankfully voted down at conference, proposed ejecting women who'd signed this declaration from the Party).

In the US:

www.womensliberationfront.org/

Ovarit:

ovarit.com/

Spinster:

spinster.xyz/

Quarterly magazine
theradicalnotion.org/
Dr Clare Jane Jones from twitter fame.

Mr Menno, is on you tube. Gay man who knows what a woman is. He us funny and does done singing.
He is often at Speakers Corner/Reformers Tree in Hyde Park with Kelly-Jay Keen (aka Posie Parker, Standing for Women), last Sunday in the month.

Thanks for doing this.

Thanks for this thread. I'm new here and keen to find out more.

Here's a previous thread with podcast suggestions:

A podcast to explain?

And here's one with documentaries and other videos

'T*rf Wars' documentary on YouTube

This is such a fantastic resource thread. Thanks so much all of you for putting it together

Glad to hear it's useful! If there are specific issues or angles that we've missed, or you'd like to hear more about/ask about, please do fire away. There is generally someone about with well-informed knowledge, or who knows where to go to get it. It's a big subject and various issues overlap.

Barracker 'Pronouns are Rohypnol' on FPFW

fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

Because using someone's preferred pronouns is just a courtesy, right? But issues are much clearer if you call a spade a spade, or a man a man, or a TW a 'he'.

Another thing that might be helpful is a simple and clear debunking of the myth about how much greater the suicide risk is in trans teens, and the myth that affirmation lowers this risk substantially. I know people who do see this is a major issue, and are worried about young people they know.

@Linguini

Has "Standing for Women" been mentioned?

www.standingforwomen.com/

Posie Parker (Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull) is often described as "controversial".

She has done incredible work including the infamous
"Woman = Adult Human Female" billboards that all got taken down.

Can someone please explain why PP is thought to be controversial?

Kelly Jay Keen, uses plain language and will not capitulate by calling a man who says he is a women a transwoman or woman. She will call them men. Also she refuses to use preferred pronouns. I think she is right we need the language to be plain. I've seen her in action in Nottingham with two men behind her who said they were women. She kept referring to them as blokes and it made the discussion a lot more straight forward. Language is for communication and the language of gender identity ideology has deliberately confused language and conflated terms. So you will hear things like her penis, same gender attraction, transfemale. Even the use of transwoman can confuse people who think it is a woman who is transgender.

There was also some vitrol aimed at her for attending a meeting with other women in America that was hosted by right wing people but I don't know much about that other than I think the woman she went with was a mother to a child who was questioning their gender and the mother was desperate to be heard by someone.

I think she is brilliant and she is excellent at making the most of a moment and capitalising on it to get the message out.

Unfortunately many people really aren't aware of what is happening to women's rights so the more sunlight the better. We never have to agree one hundred percent, that is real inclusivity!
Not sure if this is upthread but this is seen as a classic interview.

@DomesticatedZombie Jane-Clare Jones wrote an entertaining explainer of recent history

Absolutely excellent, thanks so much for sharing that.

For an international perspective, Women’s Declaration Internacional record weekly talks from Gender Critical feminists from around the world every week on YouTube. It is shocking to her from nearly every country in the world how gender ideology is taking hold

Oops sorry Domesticated Zombie didn’t see you’d posted already.

Legal Feminist at www.legalfeminist.org.uk
are a collective of practising lawyers – solicitors and barristers – who are interested in feminist analysis of law, and legal analysis of feminism. The blogs by Naomi Cunningham are particularly good, such as www.legalfeminist.org.uk/2021/02/01/submission-and-compliance/

This thread is brilliant for new visitors.

Really good thread, thank you! I'm guilty of not paying attention in the past. I ignorantly thought the trans debates were not my concern and only affected a small minority.

@HotCrossMocha

Another thing that might be helpful is a simple and clear debunking of the myth about how much greater the suicide risk is in trans teens, and the myth that affirmation lowers this risk substantially. I know people who do see this is a major issue, and are worried about young people they know.

This is a useful link - www.transgendertrend.com/the-suicide-myth/

In a nutshell -

'Although there is no doubt that children and young people suffering gender dysphoria are an extremely vulnerable group deserving of our support and care, the oft-quoted suicide statistics are from surveys which are not robust and there is no evidence that transition is a ‘cure.’

The Women's Rights Network join together local groups all over Britain with campaigns and activism. Contact them to be put in touch with your nearest group:

www.womensrights.network/

They are one of the women's groups behind the current 'Respect my sex if you want my X' campaign, which is getting loads of traction in the press

@FemaleAndLearning, thank you for explaining Posey. I'd read the essay on pronouns as rohypnol and made the link, but always worried about being 'rude' if I didn't use preferred pronouns in public. I see now how and why Posey does it.

This is an amazing thread for those of us who are new and need to figure out how best to support - thank you all for compiling it.

Could anyone recommend resources on the effect of gender identity ideology on women in developing countries, including war zones / refugees? Also on NGOs, the UN and women’s status in international law?

Sorry, cocoapopfan, this isn't an answer to your question.

Someone sent this to me on another platform the other day and I found it very interesting.

Lisa Michele looks back at the 50,000 lobotomies (a brain 'operation') carried out in the US in the 1930s onwards and draws comparison with what's happening today, medicalising young people. She's very thorough, very measured and I will be returning to her You Tube channel to see what other topics she covers.