Angela Raynor on GMB

[Triotriotrio]

"I don't think it helps for politicians to define this". I mean, wft does she think their job is?

DFOD

My only explanation for this is that the Labour top brass must think most people dont either know or care about Gender ID bollocks and the ones that do are outnumbered by the trendy young Kool aid drinkers, so it those terms it makes sense to cut adrift the dinosaurs.

I think the next five elections is not far wrong. What is wrong with Labour. Wouldn’t vote for them in a million years bar perhaps the Blair years but honestly have they NO idea what they are doing to themselves.

Do you think the traditional working class, red wall seats etc think this is the Labour of old. It’s a few big mouths in London shouting down everyone else with their daft ideas. I am disappointed the sports world is now joining in this debate and allowing men to compete in womens sports.

I thought this is hysterical

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/mar/05/labour-angela-rayner-will-push-for-next-leader-to-be-a-woman

As she can't define what a woman is pathetic

Very shy of talking about the body all of a sudden, aren’t they? Can’t say penis, cervix, vagina etc when they’re losing. But we all (that is, women) have to be called “vulva owners” and “bleeders” when they’re winning.

A regular reminder that Angela was/is a huge fan of madigan.

So if the trendy Kool Aid drinkers have sisters, young cousins etc who find they are changing next to a man who is ID’ing as a women, or god forbid find themselves in jail with a man and an incident occurs…

No, I didn’t think so…

Okay, can Angela name who should be defining 'this'?

This is the problem when you only canvas dinner party opinion in leafy parts of London, you end up with a very contrived and messed up world view.

This gets more stupid by the day. But if they can’t define a woman then they can’t be in charge of law making, which requires such definitions.

Not to mention, what they're really saying in a very coy way is "we'd rather insult 51% of the population and make their words too dirty to say out loud so that we don't upset a political lobby group and less than 1% of male people"

No. No qualification there to run a lemonade stand, never mind a country. Gutless, misogynistic cowards repeating over and over again that they are wholly in hock to a political lobby group openly called 'controversial' with some quite extremist and openly expressed anti women, ableist, homophobic and anti-safeguarding agendas.

@NotBadConsidering

They can’t define woman in interviews, but you can be damned sure that if they get into power they’ll be able to define it for laws they want to pass.

Well said!

I stopped voting for labour a few years ago when I got fed up with their love of Identity Politics and how they were allowing it to divide the party to the extent that they had no clear political objectives anymore. All the more recent trans/self-id stuff is just a continuation of that.

Also some Labour people/supporters come across as so patronising and dictatorial which I find a massive turn off. I'm an adult and I expect to be addressed as such.

I genuinely don't understand what they think they are doing and like many other posters on here have come to the conclusion that they don't actually want to win an election, they just want to shout and scream from the side-lines and be paid for doing it.

I'm not even sure you could describe them as proper political party anymore tbh.

I feel in this country we have no proper grown-up opposition which is an absolute disgrace.

Even if their advisors are in a bubble, even if they dismissed the 'old guard' as fuddy duddies who don't know about our new woke modern society, even if they thought it was a vote-winner - how many Kool Aid voters do they think there are?

Based on numbers alone, surely someone must have done the math? Or maybe they identify think 2+2=eleventy billion.

I'd like to see a strong opposition for any government but this version of Labour isn't it.

I sat up all night during the last GE. I remember those daft bints Owen Jones and Ash Sarker being interviewed straight after the exit polls. To say they weren’t bothered is an understatement. It was almost like they wanted to say ‘the fight goes on’. That brilliant interview with Alan Johnson and the head of Momentum who again wasn’t that bothered.

Unlike some of the Labour MPs who were clearly devastated. Especially that male MP who knew he had lost before the votes were counted.

I’m in a Labour stronghold, up North. I have a number of older relatives who really aren’t that aware of the debate around woman’s rights and trans rights, and they are simply baffled that nobody representing Labour can define what a woman is.

So with each batshit interview they see, they are starting to take the view that if Labour can’t do this very simple thing, define a woman, how on earth could they be trusted to run the country.

This is going to lose Labour the next election.

If they don’t want to win then this doesn’t really matter. I feel Starmer doesn’t really believe what is coming out of his mouth, Raynor is just awful but again if they don’t want to win they can say what they like.

@MrsOvertonsWindow

All the Conservatives need to do is to roll out a simple clear statement with an accurate definition of women (or men), alongside an explanation of how the law impacts in terms of a GRC and it's a win win for them. They could even go as far as recognising that this raises competing rights in certain areas like sport, hospital wards etc and that this needs thoughtful and sensitive discussions and they'll all look like bloody Nobel Peace Prize winners. That Labour are so down the trans rabbit hole that they can't do this demonstrates their real problem of demonstrating their unfitness to confront massive world problems (Ukraine, poverty etc) if they're only able to pronounce the trans lobby drivel in response to questions.

Yep.

@OhHolyJesus

Even if their advisors are in a bubble, even if they dismissed the 'old guard' as fuddy duddies who don't know about our new woke modern society, even if they thought it was a vote-winner - how many Kool Aid voters do they think there are?

Based on numbers alone, surely someone must have done the math? Or maybe they identify think 2+2=eleventy billion.

I'd like to see a strong opposition for any government but this version of Labour isn't it.

Three problems neatly identified there, Holy

1. we're talking about people who actually believe that reality can be a selective thing for some where the unwanted/unpleasant facts can be vanished and other people should be forced to enable this at their own expense by denying their own perceptions and reality

2. That this divides society into two groups: the takers, who get to choose reality, and the givers who don't, and live under threat of police and losing jobs if they fail to enable on command (I mean wtaf) and this is somehow 'ok' and going to work......

3. we're also talking about people who would rather be pure in their values than care about representing a wide body of the electorate in parliament. Hence the 'we don't want your vote because you're contaminated with a mind of your own' thinking.

Is this sounding like a great idea for a government yet?

Because frankly I'll stick with the devil I know, with the insane hair and no morals.

I'm not even sure you could describe them as proper political party anymore tbh.

I feel in this country we have no proper grown-up opposition which is an absolute disgrace.

100%. We really are close to a one-party state. Which is obviously unhealthy.

Because frankly I'll stick with the devil I know, with the insane hair and no morals.

I'd rather an honest crook than a crook that tells me he's morally superior while stealing my rights, frankly.

Labour don’t know what a woman is.

But they know that a trans woman is one.

Bonkers.

I agree we are a one party state.

We simply can not have an opposition party that does not even recognise or define 51% of the electorate!

Who on earth is advising them??

@AlecTrevelyan006

Labour don’t know what a woman is.

But they know that a trans woman is one.

Bonkers.

This this thiiis!!! With bloody great knobs on

@Franklin12

I sat up all night during the last GE. I remember those daft bints Owen Jones and Ash Sarker being interviewed straight after the exit polls. To say they weren’t bothered is an understatement. It was almost like they wanted to say ‘the fight goes on’. That brilliant interview with Alan Johnson and the head of Momentum who again wasn’t that bothered.

Unlike some of the Labour MPs who were clearly devastated. Especially that male MP who knew he had lost before the votes were counted.

I remember that interview Franklin12 - for Alan it wasn’t some intellectual debate but about people’s real lives and the impact it would have on them. I’ve lost all respect for them and feel a rage that they are letting down so many people and allowing this shit show of a government to continue.

Long term Labour voter, in the North-West here. I cannot understand what has happened to the party and I consider myself politically homeless nowadays. I never thought that I would see the day, quite frankly, where I would refuse to vote for Labour.
But we are where we are. They can't define what I am, they are there for the 1% and not for the 51%. So be it.