To wonder why an MP is lying about womens bathrooms?

[TeaKlaxon]

Lucy Allen has tweeted that the Barbican has mens bathrooms and gender neutral bathrooms, but no womens bathrooms.

Lots of twitter users told her that was wrong.

The Barbican itself told her it's wrong.

But the tweet remains. AIBU to think that if an MP gets something wrong, they should apologise and remove the lie? Or to think that this is deliberate misinformation to further the myth of women being 'erased'?

twitter.com/lucyallan/status/1507076111871713282?s=20&t=D_TGgQBlnKkKZ6NEIjnzsw

What's weird is that the Barbican's floor plan online shows loos with the old fashioned men and women and disabled symbols. Implying they have no gender neutral. Very odd. Why aren't they displaying what they truly have proudly?

@mudgetastic

Is that true? Why should lesbians be more likely to be gender none Conforming ?

Does being gender none conforming affect how you look? Your physique ?

Being gender nonconforming is a very broad term, but in the manner we're speaking about, i.e. gender nonconforming to the point that someone might misgender you or think you are trans etc, yes, I would say that sort of gender nonconforming behaviour is much more common among queer women than straight women, and so queer women are far more likely to be affected by the sort of witch hunt against trans people that has grown massively in the last few years.

[quote girlmom21]@TeaKlaxon there are very few posters here who agree with you. They are also normal, every day people.

But you're not referring to the posters who agree with you when you're telling people they're wrong. You're referring to a woman who looks like a woman who claims that she gets regular abuse in women's toilets who has no skin in the game on this thread. [/quote]
I will never make an apology for placing more stock in what I'm told by a real person whose identity is verifiable than by anonymous posters on an internet discussion site.

Yet there seems to be no evidence of either the hunt for trans people or the discrimination against lesbians and you have agreed that the lesbian is an unnecessary label. And actually gender none conforming women may look totally female and be none conforming in many other ways. Sloppy use of language or sloppy stereotypes

Bored now

@daimbarsatemydogsbone

Why do they have bathrooms at the Barbican? Wouldn't toilets be enough?

My thoughts too! Surely no one has a bath there?

@DdraigGoch

Oh, and because I've been to the Barbican and its not nearly as difficult as this person seems to think to find a women's bathroom, which leads me to conclude they are being disingenuous.

So because you've never got lost there, you're going to completely ignore the testimony of the many posters on this thread that they did get lost and say that it never happens?

A woman goes up to the row of three toilet doors. The signs (in order, as per the photograph) are "gender neutral", "disabled", and "men's". She looks around and thinks "all the other ones are here, so where are the women's? I'll ask someone"

She finds an usher and asks "where are the women's toilets? I can't use gender-neutral ones." The usher laughs at this.

The obvious conclusion from the usher's reaction is that asking for the women's toilets is a silly question. On the one hand that could be because the location was obvious (in which case the usher would then give directions), on the other hand it could be that women's toilets are so last year. It would not be unreasonable to then assume that there were none.

Many posters?

How many posters have said they have been in the Barbican and been unable to find the women's bathrooms?

I can count only one, and she seems not to have responded when I asked with incredulity if she seriously expected us to believe she could not find one of the five womens toilets.

What other posters have said they couldn't find the other toilets?

Can we get away from this nonsense of calling toilets bathrooms? Never poo in the bath!

@girlmom21

But good job deciding Eloise Stonborough is a liar based on how she looks.

She said she's ostracised because of her looks so of course I'm going to judge her based on her looks. It's literally what she claims to be an issue.

Oh you naughty @girlmom21 you. Fancy taking people at their word!

You silly, silly woman!

[ just in case!!!]

? I am a Barbican member. Fair point that we could do with more toilets per se, but there are plenty around compared to most arts venues. Worth noting that you can use the toilets in the restaurants as well as these are public.

@mudgetastic

Yet there seems to be no evidence of either the hunt for trans people or the discrimination against lesbians and you have agreed that the lesbian is an unnecessary label. And actually gender none conforming women may look totally female and be none conforming in many other ways. Sloppy use of language or sloppy stereotypes

Bored now

Well now isn't that a slam dunk argument

And no, lesbian isn't an unnecessary label, because this is a movement that frequently tries to claim to defend lesbians. So the fact that lesbians are more likely to be impacted by their fake hysteria is absolutely relevant.

@mudgetastic

Gender neutral doesn't have to mean mixed sex

It coiukd equally mean single sex any gender surely?

You'd have to specify which sex on the sign though

"Gender neutral doesn't have to mean mixed sex

It coiukd equally mean single sex any gender surely?"

Nope. It means that dicks are welcome here. And if you don't like that, it's your problem

I will never make an apology for placing more stock in what I'm told by a real person whose identity is verifiable than by anonymous posters on an internet discussion site.

And @TeaKlaxon promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

How many posters have said they have been in the Barbican and been unable to find the women's bathrooms?

How many butch lesbians were you claiming were excluded from the women's toilets? So far you've only referenced one.

@Brainwave89

? I am a Barbican member. Fair point that we could do with more toilets per se, but there are plenty around compared to most arts venues. Worth noting that you can use the toilets in the restaurants as well as these are public.

Yep. Even though there can be queues for the womens loos at busy times during intervals etc, I've found the Barbican to be much better than most venues in terms of the queues.

Partly because it has more loos than lots of (especially older) theatres and also because it has different venues within the centre, I've generally found that if I walk two minutes I can usually find a loo without a queue.

because this is a movement that frequently tries to claim to defend lesbians. So the fact that lesbians are more likely to be impacted by their fake hysteria is absolutely relevant.

Say what now? A movement?

And have you missed how many posters responding are lesbians!?!?!

Fake hysteria? You might want to look up the definition of hysteria - unless of course you are fond of redundent words!

@DdraigGoch

How many posters have said they have been in the Barbican and been unable to find the women's bathrooms?

How many butch lesbians were you claiming were excluded from the women's toilets? So far you've only referenced one.

The post you quoted was explicitly responding to a poster claiming that 'many' posters had difficulty finding women's toilets in the Barbican.

I can only find one.

On the other hand, I can count at least five who say they had no trouble finding womens toilets in the Barbican.

Being gender nonconforming is a very broad term

Yes. For a woman, saying "no, fuck off" to sexist male people who think you should ignore your own feelings and centre their needs instead, uncomplainingly, with a smile, is also "gender non conforming".

Do you mean me @TeaKlaxon?

I've been doing other things. I said I found it difficult to find the women's toilets when I was there and then in a subsequent post, that I was going to go and check the toilet provision next week as I couldn't get there any earlier.

Oh, I can find them! As I said, they are further in, further up and not always with all the other loos. Sometimes they have been replaced by the gender neutral ones.

No male loos have been replaced by gender neutral ones. Only women have lost single sex spaces, as usual!

@SamphiretheStickerist

I will never make an apology for placing more stock in what I'm told by a real person whose identity is verifiable than by anonymous posters on an internet discussion site.

And @TeaKlaxon promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

The difference is that I'm not asking anyone here to believe my experience over that of a real, identified person who has described her experience in public and been called a liar.

For someone not asking anyone to believe them you aren't half posting a lot of defensive posts

In any event, isn't the point that @TeaKlaxon is spreading falsehoods by claiming that both Allen and her constituent said that there were no women's toilets at the Barbican which is patently untrue?

a real, identified person who has described her experience in public and been called a liar.

But YOU CALLED 2 WOMEN LIARS, one a verifiable woman, an MP and one of her constituents, who she cannot name for legal reasons.

Based on the facts that you didn't read the tweet in full and that you intuited something or other!

How many posters have said they have been in the Barbican and been unable to find the women's bathrooms?

100% because there aren't any public bathrooms at all.