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Some bearded American pillocks are objecting to the idea of Mumsnetters talking about feminism. Hadley Freeman and other feminists are doing an excellent job of responding.

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MNHQ has a habit of moving any trans issues to the feminism
boards so it becomes skewed. Feminism on Mumsnet isn't restricted to trans issues, it's just that the boards aren't used in the way these Twitter users think. Plenty of feminism related topics all over the site

Pretty sure if beardy tweeters thought a bit about it, or even came to look, they would be more scandalized by relationships board. After all pretty much the consensus on there is ltb.
The odd poster comes along to say is it really really worth leaving him because he forgot your birthday again, maybe he needs to see a dr about his anger, why dont you just do the whole mental load because how can we expect men to do that they are just so important blah blah, but mostly its ltb.

All the ltb posters are feminists, they just dont all know it yet.

@PermanentTemporary

One of my fondest MN memories was the US creationist (it was 2007, that was the nonsense du jour) who came over to tell us all about creationism, and who got extremely hot and bothered about the swearing on the thread. He was used to people giving him a hard time about the belief but couldn't stay calm at our 'potty mouths'. Different place, mate.

Oh I remember those threads. They were glorious!

God let's not point them at the relationships boards, there are enough invaders on there as it is.

@GingerPCatt
It's the luxury position of those for whom their biology has never been a disadvantage. What is more annoying is that women (who are disadvantaged to a greater or lesser degree) also go along with this dangerous nonsense. The blokes assert their dominance & the wimmin assert their niceness/ compliance/unthreatening-ness. Both groups are self-righteous.

@MoltenLasagne

God let's not point them at the relationships boards, there are enough invaders on there as it is.

Is it utterly wrong that I would rather like a Dodge the beardy more feminist than thou dudebro thread or two?

Loads of brilliant replies on that 😂 he is just another beardy bloke full of 💩

Its also such a giveaway when they start waffling on about the 'far right'.
Anyone who has made any attempt to listen to any of the people taking about this stuff or spent any time on mumsnet will know that's pure nonsense.
Everytime I see someone spout off about the far right on this issue, I know they have no clue about any of it and are just talking out of their arse.

Everytime I see someone spout off about the far right on this issue

Well quite. I mean... there are a hell of a lot of posts on MN by leftwing or centre left posters desperate to have a left-leaning party to vote for which actually knows what a woman is.

And the irony of the Americans accusing the UK if being awash with the religious far right. Ummm... are you sure that's the UK you're thinking of?!

From the replies

I have said this before, but only one of the three axes of oppression which affect the largest numbers of people: sex, race and class, is currently being erased, and that is sex. Probably because it is mostly female people who are harmed by that erasure.

All other 'identities' must be respected, but not identities based on living as a biological female.

It's true that identities based on living as a biological female are subjected to a particular form of erasure, but I'd argue that the understanding of class is lacking in the US as a whole too. And that this lack is linked to the failure to perform proper structural analysis, which is why the American left is so much higher on the TRA crack. They don't have that same theoretical framework.

It's not the same as the deliberate erasure of femaleness and female reality that you talk about here though, it's more roundabout than that.

@Fairislefandango

Everytime I see someone spout off about the far right on this issue

Well quite. I mean... there are a hell of a lot of posts on MN by leftwing or centre left posters desperate to have a left-leaning party to vote for which actually knows what a woman is.

And the irony of the Americans accusing the UK if being awash with the religious far right. Ummm... are you sure that's the UK you're thinking of?!

Exactly! The cultural imperialism of American progressives that these debates expose is fascinating in its own right.

So this is a thread on a social media site talking about a thread on a different social media site which is talking about different threads on this site.

God, maybe we all need to get out more 🤣

They are a prime example of how misunderstood GC women are. It’s funny but it’s also bloody depressing. If they would only join in and have a debate now and agin they may learn something.
Mind you, as Maya’s tribunal proved last week, the second any of these men are asked probing questions, they can’t answer them!

@LostTxn

First time here. I’m in the US & see mostly awesome UK women talking about fighting gender woo. Now how do I connect with other TERFy US women? I’ll keep looking but thought someone might have a tip! Keep up the good work!

Also Women’s Declaration International

Hardy Buckette

It's true that identities based on living as a biological female are subjected to a particular form of erasure, but I'd argue that the understanding of class is lacking in the US as a whole too. And that this lack is linked to the failure to perform proper structural analysis, which is why the American left is so much higher on the TRA crack. They don't have that same theoretical framework.

You are quite right on that one, too, when it comes to the American left in general. Online US feminism is a little better on class, but only a little. On the other hand, much of online American feminism participates in the erasure of the female sex.

"What is more annoying is that women (who are disadvantaged to a greater or lesser degree) also go along with this dangerous nonsense. The blokes assert their dominance & the wimmin assert their niceness/ compliance/unthreatening-ness."

Yes, I don't understand the women who are just giving it all away, for all women, and for girls too, not only for themselves. I know a few such women and even after talking with them, I don't understand why they are doing this. I do think underlying it is a natural feminine tendency to put kindness and empathy over our own survival or dignity. But why only empathy or kindness for transgender people? Why not empathy or kindness for natural born girls or women?

I don't know who any of those people are. Can't be bothered to go on twitter as twitter has a lot of misogynistic policies so I cannot in good conscience support that platform.

Righty-ho. Thanks for letting us know!

@aloris

"What is more annoying is that women (who are disadvantaged to a greater or lesser degree) also go along with this dangerous nonsense. The blokes assert their dominance & the wimmin assert their niceness/ compliance/unthreatening-ness."

Yes, I don't understand the women who are just giving it all away, for all women, and for girls too, not only for themselves. I know a few such women and even after talking with them, I don't understand why they are doing this. I do think underlying it is a natural feminine tendency to put kindness and empathy over our own survival or dignity. But why only empathy or kindness for transgender people? Why not empathy or kindness for natural born girls or women?

I don't have the answer to this, but my current theory is:

Young women don't see themselves as disadvantaged(many who are active in feminist movements are young, don't yet have families and have not yet seen whose earnings rise over time etc.) outside sexual harassment and violence.

One Canadian feminist told me that the fight for women's sex-based rights was already won and though it would be nice to celebrate that a bit longer, the transgender people are far too oppressed for not being given precedence (by turning women's diseases into people's diseases and so on).

Another made similar statements, i.e., that the pain transgender people are experiencing must take precedence as they are more oppressed than biological women who have not transitioned out of the gender 'women.'

I would add to that the subconscious view of women, as a sex, as the psychological support people and the strong social rules on women having to be kind. But it seems to me that many among the young feminists see the fight as having been won (an insular view- even if it were a correct view - only applicable to the West).

Why they would still work for feminism is somewhat puzzling, though.

I also think that roughly ninety percent of people have never done the heavy thinking this topic requires. They believe that transgender means trans women who have had all the surgery and who just want to live their lives in peace (and I strongly support that and so would almost everybody), and they don't realise that inclusiveness will erase them or that the label 'transgender' can now refer to individuals who (I paraphrase) "identify as women but perform as men and are biologically male".

In short, they are unaware of all the complications in this issue.

@tabbycatstripy

I like how on MN, rather than calling people 'pieces of dogshit' or 'binfires' or 'literal Nazis', we say: "This makes me cross."

I’m still a bit bemused by some aspects of MN but in terms of how people treat each other when they disagree it is a lot politer and less death threaty than any of the other platforms. Maybe the world would be a better place if it was organised by women.

Sorry if this has already been posted....but has just resurfaced....probably because of twitter.
newsthump.com/2022/02/01/woman-who-visited-mumsnet-looking-for-advice-on-baby-food-now-a-trans-exclusionary-radical-feminist/

I laughed at this....although I see from some comments on FB people think it's serious....It is intended as satire I hope I don't offend anyone here.

I saw the Twitter thread this morning & immediately joined Mumsnet, downloaded the app & have spent most of the day lurking when I should be working!!

An ex-friend (beardy woke bloke - what a shock!) unfollowed me on Twitter because I followed someone he deemed a TERF. He would periodically put out threats that he would unfollow anyone who followed someone he considered unacceptable. He really didn't understand how controlling & weird that behaviour is either.
Good riddance!

But why only empathy or kindness for transgender people? Why not empathy or kindness for natural born girls or women?

I hope more women honestly ask themselves this very important question. I hope men & young people also ask it as it's the heart of the issue.

When I was thinking through my feelings on all this several years ago the one thing that brought it into sharp focus for me was realising that :

1. Women had the right to their own boundaries;
2. Women had the right to say 'no';

But

1. Women were not being allowed to have boundaries or to say 'no';

Hence

1. It (Gender/Stonewall Ideology) was not something I could support or remain neutral on.

Basic human rights & dignity & safeguarding were being removed from women, along with children & lesbians & gays, to be given over to this one special group at the behest of rich &/or powerful lobbyists.

Welcome, Luna!

I see screenshots of the Sex and Gender board are being passed qround as 'proof' that it is all we talk about. Well of course it is - on the Sex and Gender board

Glad to see we vipers are "radicalising" more women! Welcome!