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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 24/03/2022 09:53

Some bearded American pillocks are objecting to the idea of Mumsnetters talking about feminism. Hadley Freeman and other feminists are doing an excellent job of responding.

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TheGreatATuin · 24/03/2022 13:30

unless they say "cs" then the post is deleted and there's loud complaining about "cs is a slur" wawawah...
If it helps, the deleting of 'cis' and objecting to it, is the equivalent of women being allowed to object to being called feminazis and talk about the misogyny of being called feminazis, while saying that MRAs who flounce onto the boards to call us feminazis will be deleted.
Hope that helps.

ShagMeRiggins · 24/03/2022 13:30

DomesticatedZombie you are on a comedy roll. I mean, you had me at Parklife, but the LOLs just keep coming.

What I find fascinating about the Mumsnet/Twitter blah blah blah is that Twitter is almost never a conversation. Mumsnet, especially FWR, is.

People can say what they like about the antiquated look of this forum, about the lack of Upvotes, Downvotes, Likes, etc, but the user interface quickly forces conversation and therefore arguments to be put forward, otherwise posters flounder as they’re unable to assert their positions effectively.

Also, in this section especially bit on many sections generally, the incredible Mary Poppins-like links to useful, factual, intelligent resources, laws, etc.

Not bad for a nest of vipers.

DomesticatedZombie · 24/03/2022 13:30

@Artichokeleaves

There are some people who specifically HATE the fact that this website has supported - what was it, over 6,000? - women to leave abusive and violent relationships.

I've seen a few abusive Exes let rip on the Relationships board late at night when they're furious that MN helped the partner to achieve her heartfelt desire to get away. The messages on MN that annoyed them the most?

You're not alone, this happens to other women. It isn't because you're odd or wrong or did something to cause it.

You don't have to accept this: if you're not happy, not consenting, if you're not being treated well and with equal consideration, then you deserve better. You are entitled to expect more of relationships than this.
Other people have to take equal responsibility for their choices and actions, it's not all on you all the time
You have resources, support and legal protections, here's how to find them, and the financial means to survive alone

Yes this is very scary but you have responsibilities and support to change this if you want to.

This, to someone who is getting their needs met by coercively controlling their provider? Is not helpful in any way. Empowering women, giving them ideas above their station, people to talk and get perspectives from, practical help and strategies - makes for a really badly behaved victim.

Because they are unable to barge in here, assert their manly authority and take control of our conversations they must destroy it.

I always thought the philosopher who commented that men often see women's spaces as 'terra nullis' nailed it. If it isn't occupied with being useful to men then it's just pointless, unused space waiting for a real purpose to come along. None of the crap that bothers women is ever in men's experience or on their radar, so for less sensitive men? Well it doesn't happen to them, so more or less just doesn't happen and doesn't matter.

100%

Mumsnet support boards are feminist solidarity, liberation & awareness raising in action. With extra points for creative swears.

LostTxn · 24/03/2022 13:32

First time here. I’m in the US & see mostly awesome UK women talking about fighting gender woo. Now how do I connect with other TERFy US women? I’ll keep looking but thought someone might have a tip! Keep up the good work!

BinBandit · 24/03/2022 13:32

yeah, it was sarcasm. It's more about the activists who've been conned into creating discord and chaos by those who stand to benefit. Black Lives Matter was never about black rights at the top of the tree, it was there to cause discord and chaos by those who stand to benefit.

It's all madness.

DomesticatedZombie · 24/03/2022 13:34

@LostTxn

First time here. I’m in the US & see mostly awesome UK women talking about fighting gender woo. Now how do I connect with other TERFy US women? I’ll keep looking but thought someone might have a tip! Keep up the good work!
Try WoLF

www.womensliberationfront.org/

Various 'gender critical' groups about too.

Femalewoman · 24/03/2022 13:39

The cesspit that is twitter is getting it's knickers in a twist about females getting together for discussion on various topics including women's concerns over safe spaces. Those beardies really are worried what will us bleeders come up with next

LondonWolf · 24/03/2022 13:40

@BinBandit

yeah, it was sarcasm. It's more about the activists who've been conned into creating discord and chaos by those who stand to benefit. Black Lives Matter was never about black rights at the top of the tree, it was there to cause discord and chaos by those who stand to benefit.

It's all madness.

Yes.
BettyFilous · 24/03/2022 13:44

@LostTxn

First time here. I’m in the US & see mostly awesome UK women talking about fighting gender woo. Now how do I connect with other TERFy US women? I’ll keep looking but thought someone might have a tip! Keep up the good work!
You could always start a new thread in this topic with an obvious heading like “Muster point for new US posters directed here by noisy Twitter storm”. It will help you find your newly arrived compatriots and get organising. Smile
DameHelena · 24/03/2022 13:47

Well, hello to any beardy types (or anyone else) who have come here to find things to criticise. I'll look forward to seeing things about Mumsnet presented factually and calmly on Twitter.

And hello and welcome to anyone from North America (or anywhere else) who was feeling isolated about not being able to discuss their concerns about gender ideology. And thanks to the beards for signposting Mumsnet.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/03/2022 13:49

First time here. I’m in the US & see mostly awesome UK women talking about fighting gender woo. Now how do I connect with other TERFy US women? I’ll keep looking but thought someone might have a tip! Keep up the good work!

Welcome! Glad to have you! Thanks

LostTxn · 24/03/2022 13:54

Perfect thank you!

LostTxn · 24/03/2022 13:55

I meant thank you 😂

LostTxn · 24/03/2022 13:56

Great idea thank you!

inigomontoyahwillcox · 24/03/2022 13:56

@DomesticatedZombie

I am continually perplexed by the Anglophone divergence on transphobia. Why is there so much more TERF representation in the UK elite than in their US and Canadian peers?

Parklife.

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PronounssheRa · 24/03/2022 13:57

@LostTxn

First time here. I’m in the US & see mostly awesome UK women talking about fighting gender woo. Now how do I connect with other TERFy US women? I’ll keep looking but thought someone might have a tip! Keep up the good work!
Do we need a terfin' USA board 😁
nepeta · 24/03/2022 13:57

@LostTxn

First time here. I’m in the US & see mostly awesome UK women talking about fighting gender woo. Now how do I connect with other TERFy US women? I’ll keep looking but thought someone might have a tip! Keep up the good work!
For US: There's Gender Critical Women on Saidit (a truly horrible site otherwise), and there is Ovarit. Canada has Feminist Current.

But it is true that there aren't very many places to go for gender critical stuff in the US.

Geezabreak82 · 24/03/2022 13:57

Mumsnet users can execute an effective lobby though. I used to work for a public sector organisation and we started to receive letters from all over about the use of the term 'gender' in our equalities monitoring. There were so many letters it was obviously coordinated, and we eventually worked out that was happening on a thread on the feminism boards here. The issue wasn't even on our agenda until that campaign started so users do have power and influence when they work together. And I'm not saying that's a bad thing by any means, but having been on the receiving end of it, it is definitely a thing.

NecessaryScene · 24/03/2022 13:59

Wow those men on twitter are extremely stupid.

Cos all the smart ones are here...

nepeta · 24/03/2022 13:59

@AnnesBrokenSlate

That thread is hilarious! Although also an absolutely shocking indictment on US education and journalism. There's such an insular view of culture, history, feminism and women's rights.
A very powerful country tends to have that luxury.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/03/2022 14:00

Cos all the smart ones are here...

Are you referring to anyone in particular? Smile

SolasAnla · 24/03/2022 14:01

@RufusthefIorallovingreindeer

unless they say "cs" then the post is deleted and there's loud complaining about "cs is a slur" wawawah...

That's an outright lie

Its a twist and spin of the truth. If a poster is being deliberately antagonistic and misgendering by using she/he/cis etc MNHQ will delete the post.

If someone self identifes as she/he/cis MNHQ has no problem with that.

EdithStourton · 24/03/2022 14:01

terfin' USA
😂😂😂

I was thinking much the same, but less wittily. Maybe I should get back to the mopping of floors.

nepeta · 24/03/2022 14:03

@DomesticatedZombie

I am continually perplexed by the Anglophone divergence on transphobia. Why is there so much more TERF representation in the UK elite than in their US and Canadian peers?

Parklife.

This would be hilarious if it weren't for how it equates fighting for women's rights and against sex-based mistreatment with being transphobic.

But then bearded men do have the luxury of watching all this from the best seats in the audience while drinking beer and munching on popcorn. This makes them more virtuous and better assessors of what is happening in the arena to the gladiators.

nepeta · 24/03/2022 14:05

Who is the expert on your life and how you define yourself and the conditions which hamper you? It tends to be someone observed to be male at birth.

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