Jen Ives LGB Alliance Twitter Row

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So, trans woman infiltrates conference, row ensues. Who'd have though it?

I'm not interested in your personal interpretation of anything, DadJoke. It's just some bloke's reckons. I could get the same in any pub. HTH.

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I was wrong they don't just want to remove our rights to single sex spaces they want us off the streets. Women know your place!

Stonewall etc have all been actively lobbying to remove this right from women.

Why would Stonewall possibly want to remove the SSE when applied to trans people? If it is never actually possible to use them for this purpose? Truly a mystery for our times.

@334bu

*In fact, Women's Place is campaigning for the exemptions to be widened, not denying they exist.*

Why don't you just say that women have no right to single sex spaces, after all trans organisations, Stonewall etc have all been actively lobbying to remove this right from women.

I I thought that, I'd say it.

If you are in a cervical cancer support group, or a group for pregnant people, for example, it's entirely legitimate. The Act provides many other examples. I don't have an issue with that.

I think it's OK that it's legal, if sports bodies deem in fair, to use the exemption to make special rules for transgender people (and they do), though I might disagree with their approach in specific cases.

Creating legal barriers to transgender people using toilets affects their existing rights. I suspect that doing so would not be legitimate or proportionate.

A GC group could test whether exclusing trans women from women's toilets "proportionate" and "legitimate". I'm sure a GC trans woman would be happy to help bring a case to establish this.

All pregnant people are women. No man has even been pregnant.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I'm not interested in your personal interpretation of anything, DadJoke. It's just some bloke's reckons. I could get the same in any pub. HTH.

On the basis you've been arguing against it, unsuccesfully so far, you gave the appearance of being interested - and it was you who answered me in the first place.

On the basis you've been arguing against it, unsuccesfully so far

if it helps you to feel you "won" when I was quite clear what the law is, which you don't disagree with, and I don't breathlessly think Alex Sharpe has the last word on it. Read some of the other threads.

Pregnant people.

Says it all

@Ereshkigalangcleg

All pregnant people are women. No man has even been pregnant.

Either you've literally never heard of trans men, or you are being transphobic. I'm going to go with option B.

I said pregnant people, because you'd probably have found "cisgender woman and trans men" or "AFAB people" offensive, and if I'd said "women" it would have undermined the point of the argument - the purpose of the exemption is to exclude a category of women - trans women - who are by definition not AFAB.

Unless you think women aren't people, pregnant people covers it.

If you are in a cervical cancer support group, or a group for pregnant people, for example, it's entirely legitimate. The Act provides many other examples. I don't have an issue with that.

We humbly thank you oh great manly man for not having an issue with women talking about things that only women (not people) experience.

If you could talk to all your fellow manly men and get us a list of all the groups you will allow us to participate in, that would be great.

Trans men are not male, Dadjoke. Gender critical belief is not "transphobia".

Yeah Alison. 🤣🤣🤣

Hers a man moving amongst telling us the correct words to use

I salute you great man.

Creating legal barriers to transgender people using toilets affects their existing rights

Yes it would which is why it is illegal to discriminate against transwomen by preventing them from using the men''s toilets alongside other men.

No male person has ever been pregnant. That is because there are precisely two reproductive roles. Both are needed to conceive a child. This happens when a sperm (the male gamete) fertilises an ova (the female gamete). Male and female refer to these sex roles. Without this, our species would die out.

An adult human male is called a "man".

Stop with that biology eresh

It's good we've finally got a man's perspective on all of this. Thanks DadJoke. It's what we've all been waiting for.

Transmen are women therefore pregnant women covers them too. There is nothing more female than being pregnant. If you object to that ithe is only because you wish to change the meaning of words. And if we divorce words from their meaning then Dadjoke you are saying nothing at all as it is not possible to take any meaning or understanding from anything you say. You might as well just say "ug ug ug ug ug"

"Exemptions" mean inclusion is the default.

Yes it is. Anyone being able to use any space at all is the default. Single sex spaces are intended for when it's more appropriate for privacy, dignity of either sex, safety of women, or to advance equality of women, an oppressed group, or allow a group to focus on their own issues, such as male mental health groups.

You appear to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the exemptions are actually there for.

@DomesticatedZombie

It's good we've finally got a man's perspective on all of this. Thanks DadJoke. It's what we've all been waiting for.

I mean, what would we do without it🙄

I think generally the TRA men do a useful service to disinterested bystanders. The arrogance of men, the oppressor class in class analysis terms, speaking over women about women's lives and women's rights is almost palpable.

It only works when people buy into the emotional blackmail of trans propaganda as the most oppressed. When that's exposed as false, they see the sexism.

And it's about as progressive and inclusive as Jim Davidson, or Dapper Laughs, as I mentioned earlier.

I used to teach woodwork to girls. I mean, had I know that Dadjoke would not allow this I would have immediately desisted and got the kitchen equipment out.

Of course when I taught stuff to boys, like plastering, I'd say 'it is like icing a cake, but easier'. Lol.

Creating legal barriers to transgender people using toilets affects their existing rights

No it doesn't as they have the toilets provided for their sex.

@VestofAbsurdity

Creating legal barriers to transgender people using toilets affects their existing rights

No it doesn't as they have the toilets provided for their sex.

Trans women use, and have used, women's toilets for decades. There is no legal impediment for them to do so.