Jen Ives LGB Alliance Twitter Row

[GrimDamnFanjo]

twitter.com/jenivescomedian/status/1506429824235151366?s=21

So, trans woman infiltrates conference, row ensues. Who'd have though it?

I didn't know that the aggressor is autistic when I said he should not go out if he cannot contain his rage. Listening to his rant, which each (disgusting) CG insult/talking point placed, this appears planned and not a spontaneous outburst anyway.

I pointed out that he was on the autistic spectrum on page 1. Both he and Alex are.

You seem to be trying to come off as an expert in autism. It's not working. But I don't expect you'd care about my opinion: I'm autistic...

But they are just like women and all they want to do is pee and they are the most oppressed and vulnerable. Yeah right, this is male supremacy no more, no less.

Can you imagine the horrified reaction if a couple of women made jokes about how transwomen use the toilets?

The past incident was in February 2021. Ives wasn't involved in that one.

Jen Ives did not record anyone in the loo. She's a comedian.

"GCs are again accusing me of "videoing women in toilets". I recorded no one in the toilet. Didnt video anything. Used toilets to wee, and used it as an opportunity to stop recording before entering and check
dictaphone battery. Made a joke about it on Katy stream. Get a life."

Oh, nice to see that other FoMN Prior was.

She's a comedian.

If you say so.

@DadJoke

Jen Ives did not record anyone in the loo. She's a comedian.

"GCs are again accusing me of "videoing women in toilets". I recorded no one in the toilet. Didnt video anything. Used toilets to wee, and used it as an opportunity to stop recording before entering and check
dictaphone battery. Made a joke about it on Katy stream. Get a life."

Yes we know.

Jen Ives did not record anyone in the loo. She's a comedian.

Non sequitur. What does being a comedian, actual or self-identified, have to do with it?

I am aware that Ives has said they weren't recording in the toilets. I understand that your affiliation means you are obliged to believe or to pretend to believe Ives.

I feel no obligation to pretend I believe anyone, and I tell the truth about what I think all the time. Even if some posters think that means I shouldn't be allowed out in public...

The salient point being that the toilets were segregated on the basis of sex and Jen Ives knew that and yet decided not to comply with that legal requirement, is this point flying somewhere over your head?

Often trans activists jeeringly tell us that the single-sex provisions in the Equality Act 2010 don't matter, because service providers don't have to use them.

The implication there is that male transitioners are only doing what they are allowed, and that it is fine for service providers to prioritise male transitioners over women. (Which is extremely sex-based logic- everyone arguing this understands the difference between males and female with crystal clarity; they believe males take precedence over females at all times )

Well, here we have a conference where everyone knew that the single-sex exemptions were in effect and the provider (LGB Alliance, hiring the use of the building) was using the Equality Act.

And Ives went in the women's toilets anyway.

Broke that rule, without shame, and we're supposed to believe Ives treated the women inside the toilets with respect after disrespecting them by entering.

Everyone knew the women's toilets were single-sex. There are no women you can point to that will merrily say, "oh I was okay with Ives being in there, so I consent for all female conference attendees". That argument is faulty at the best of times, and cannot be used here.

A pp below doesn't think the venue had a legal right to make it a single sex space and ask males to stay out.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

A pp below doesn't think the venue had a legal right to make it a single sex space and ask males to stay out.

Women, and those acting for them, do not have the right to say no.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

A pp below doesn't think the venue had a legal right to make it a single sex space and ask males to stay out.

Well that pp is talking out of their arse.

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

Jen Ives did not record anyone in the loo. She's a comedian.

Non sequitur. What does being a comedian, actual or self-identified, have to do with it?

I am aware that Ives has said they weren't recording in the toilets. I understand that your affiliation means you are obliged to believe or to pretend to believe Ives.

I feel no obligation to pretend I believe anyone, and I tell the truth about what I think all the time. Even if some posters think that means I shouldn't be allowed out in public...

What's relevant about it is that she was joking about it with Katy Montgomerie.

You have absolutely no evidence that she was recording. You've assumed she was, despite her having denied it, which comes from exactly the same place as the ranter who suggested she is a pervert.

You have absolutely no evidence that she was recording.

and you have absolutely no evidence that JI wasn't recording.

Ah, the "it's just banter" defence, the usual refuge of the common or garden misogynist.

Today, we are going to discuss safeguarding and how refusing to follow guidelines puts males and transitioned males at risk.

I am constantly being told that male transitioners are some of the most vulnerable in society and that they are oppressed by women. If that's so, they shouldn't be with females for their own protection. When performing intimate examinations on female patients, male healthcare staff ask for a chaperone for their own protection, as well as the female patient's, in case of a genuine misunderstanding leading to an official complaint or a female patient making a malicious allegation later.

I am surprised that no-one wishes to safeguard male transitioner against such eventualities. If either is a risk for healthcare staff from adult patients who have deliberately sought medical treatment, surely each is a far greater risk everywhere else?

The only explanation I have ever been able to come up with, is that trans activists don't believe false allegations of abuse happen. The corollary to that is that trans activists must also believe that all allegations against male transitioners so far, every where, really did happen. Interesting, eh?

Male transitioners should be given private space of their own for using the toilet, changing and sleeping, as a matter of routine.

The same applies to female transitioners, even if they think they are safe in male facilities. The population of female transitioners is overwhelmingly aged 13-25; unfortunately, precisely the age range that commonly underestimates risk.

What's relevant about it is that she was joking about it with Katy Montgomerie.

And some of us have already said why we found the 'joke' creepy.

"It was just a joke" is usually the defence of laddy misogynistic dick heads.

@VestofAbsurdity

You have absolutely no evidence that she was recording.

and you have absolutely no evidence that JI wasn't recording.

You have absolutely no evidence that GC people weren't recording her in the loo, which is equally implausible. It's a ridiculous allegation with no subtance.

When you show absolute disregard for other people's boundaries and walk around carrying recording equipment while you break them?

You're laying yourself wide open to allegations really, and giving yourself not a lot of means by which to argue to be given the benefit of the doubt. You've already shown lack of good intent.

Luckily my mind is a TRA free space, so I can think all the uncharitable thoughts I like.

And some of us have already said why we found the 'joke' creepy.

The double act no one asked for, Ives and Montgomerie, and their top bantz is about as funny as Dapper Laughs. Remember him? He went around suggesting to random women in the street that he could smell them, for lols.

https://metro.co.uk/2015/03/11/dapper-laughs-is-back-and-more-offensive-than-before-5098646/amp/

[quote Ereshkigalangcleg]And some of us have already said why we found the 'joke' creepy.

The double act no one asked for, Ives and Montgomerie, and their top bantz is about as funny as Dapper Laughs. Remember him? He went around suggesting to random women in the street that he could smell them, for lols.

[[https://metro.co.uk/2015/03/11/dapper-laughs-is-back-and-more-offensive-than-before-5098646/amp]]/[/quote]
There really isn't any difference.

reposting this with an edit, because of the rules about Pronoun Usage

I believe DadJoke is asking us not to have unflattering thoughts about Ives because it's unkind and disrespectful.

I think it's unkind and disrespectful to call a gay man a "nonce" (I do have evidence of this- the statement from the victim, that's a witness statement), and to go into the women's toilets, in a place where everyone (including the women attending) knows they are intended to be female-only.

However, as usual, one male's feelings mean more than thefeelingsof the multiple women who were disrespected.

Ives sent out a message, and that message was, "no matterwhereyou go outside your own house, you cannot have female-only toilets". But now we're supposed to be kind to Ives, because although Ives made a theatre production of trampling over the boundaries of women, we don't know that JI recorded themselves doing it.

Perhaps Ives simply should have stayed outside the women's toilets? If Ives can't manage that, maybe best not to attend the conference.

Given that we've already had one poster say that the man who argued with Ives shouldn't be allowed out in public at all, what I'm asking of Ives (don't go to places with female-only toilets if you can't keep yourself out of them) seems a far more manageable request.

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