Boris has nailed colours to mast

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On gender transition at PMQs:" biology overwhelmingly important", preceded by urging respect for those feeling they need to transition. Sounded calm, respectful,and kinda where we were on course before the TRA actions.

@BurnDownTheDiscoHangTheDJ

Oh brilliant, I’ll definitely vote for this overwhelmingly corrupt party lead by a suspected criminal then

pretty much this really lol , nothing he says will make me would vote for that prick

Do you not worry - especially those of you expressing horror at agreeing with BoJo/Tories - that the fact that your view is shared by him and the tories is, perhaps, a signifier that you might be on the wrong side of history here?

@BurnDownTheDiscoHangTheDJ

Honestly, I do not get this. I can see this side of the argument on the definition of a woman but this government are:

• corrupt and corruptible,

-lead by a man who lies like most of us breathe,

-don’t want to feed hungry children in poverty during the school holidays,

-have suggested that Ukrainian refugees fleeing their war-torn country come here on the condition that they pick fruit

-and are pretending that Covid doesn’t exist now just to save the arse of their Liar in Chief (and steam rolling us all into another bad winter with the potential for deaths rising and the potential of education being disrupted).

For me and many others all of that trumps this one issue, as it should.

I agree with this. This one issue doesnt cancel out the rest of the shit show that is the Tories

'Do you not worry - especially those of you expressing horror at agreeing with BoJo/Tories - that the fact that your view is shared by him and the tories is, perhaps, a signifier that you might be on the wrong side of history here?'

No.

It’s a ludicrous situation to be in, but I won’t be voting for any party that doesn’t recognise women and their rights. The phrase Turkeys voting for Christmas has never been more apt. I want my daughters to compete in fair sporting competitions, be able to choose female medical practitioners and know they won’t be raped in their beds in hospital.

I can’t describe how horrified I am by what the Labour Party has become.

I won't vote Labour at the moment.
Once they can sensibly define a woman they might get it again. But I won't forget their stance on this issue. Me are my vote are just going to pipe down for now...

@Rosit

Do you not worry - especially those of you expressing horror at agreeing with BoJo/Tories - that the fact that your view is shared by him and the tories is, perhaps, a signifier that you might be on the wrong side of history here?

If believing that women should not be raped on single sex hospital wards (while a hospital lies to the woman and Police in part because of the rules surrounding GRC's) and believing that vulnerable women should not be incarcerated with males, including convicted sex offenders (who, given the amount of whom detransition the moment they leave prison, are clearly taking advantage of self id) puts me on what you believe to be 'the wrong side of history', I'm ok with that.

@Rosit

Do you not worry - especially those of you expressing horror at agreeing with BoJo/Tories - that the fact that your view is shared by him and the tories is, perhaps, a signifier that you might be on the wrong side of history here?

No, I'd agree with him if he said water was wet. Which is a not dissimilar statement to acknowledging biology exists and is important.

Boris said nothing wrong here.

This situation is completely on Labour's head. I don't owe them my vote they have to work for it. Currently they are telling women who think sex matters to fuck off. So I did.

I am a woman, I have two daughters one of whom is disabled. I have no choice but to vote Tory. They are not perfect but this is a single issue for me.

'No, I'd agree with him if he said water was wet.'

Absolutely. It's not enough [to get my vote for Labour] to say, 'If a Tory says it it must be untrue and we say the opposite of whatever they say.] It's not what the Tories think that matters to me, it's what I think. I'm just looking to put my vote somewhere I can live with.

@Rosit

Do you not worry - especially those of you expressing horror at agreeing with BoJo/Tories - that the fact that your view is shared by him and the tories is, perhaps, a signifier that you might be on the wrong side of history here?

Nope.

Boris would probably also say that the earth was round... and he'd be correct. Does that mean I align with all other Tory views/policies, um, no.

Just because I believe in biological reality, doesn't make me a secret Tory supporter, nor does it place me "the wrong side of history" ...

What a bizarre thing to say.

Well, I'm not voting Labour again until they say something like BJ has. I wrote to my MP about this some time last year (safe Labour seat, female MP) and didn't even get an acknowledgement. I guess that means I won't be voting, and I wish there was a way to make the Labour Party give a toss about that.

"On the flip side voting Tory just because they will occasionally (when they think its a vote winner) remember that women exist feels like a betrayal of poor and disabled women."

Which women will suffer most from these gender identity lies though? Certainly not the privileged ones pedalling the lies, it will be the poorest and most vulnerable of us who bear the brunt.

@Rosit

Do you not worry - especially those of you expressing horror at agreeing with BoJo/Tories - that the fact that your view is shared by him and the tories is, perhaps, a signifier that you might be on the wrong side of history here?

If we asked Boris if gravity existed and he said yes would you expect to just float off into space in order to avoid agreeing with him?

Agreeing with him on biological sex existing and mattering doesn't mean agreeing with him on anything else.

@Rosit

Do you not worry - especially those of you expressing horror at agreeing with BoJo/Tories - that the fact that your view is shared by him and the tories is, perhaps, a signifier that you might be on the wrong side of history here?

Do you think the fact that you choose to attack because of WHO said something, rather than WHAT they said, is a signifier that you have no coherent, evidenced arguments?

@ohfook

I think Labour are beginning to listen. I received this reply from my local Labour mp who said Labour will be upholding single-sex exemptions.

But what does the Labour Party mean by the single-sex exemption? I suspect they will accept the definition of 'woman' in the Equality Act as being a 'female of any age' but will then define 'female' as the Scottish Government did yesterday (in the Court of Session?) as not necessarily meaning biologically female. So someone who is legally female is entitled to use women's single-sex spaces. Together with self-ID, single-sex spaces and services then become illegal. It's all so slippery and dishonest and I'm sure activists will make certain that these will be amongst the first things a Labour Government or Lab/Lib Dem coalition Government do (look at how Biden's Executive Order on Gender was made on his first day in office). This is why I think the threat to women's rights really is existential if Labour get into power and there is no way I will vote for them. I hate the Tories but I would rather suffer under Tory rule with rights than under Labour without them. The fact that Labour politicians are willing to lie, dissemble and go along with such a reality-denying, bat-shit ideology gives me no reassurance that their other policies will be any better.

@5zeds

It’s a ludicrous situation to be in, but I won’t be voting for any party that doesn’t recognise women and their rights. The phrase Turkeys voting for Christmas has never been more apt. I want my daughters to compete in fair sporting competitions, be able to choose female medical practitioners and know they won’t be raped in their beds in hospital. I can’t describe how horrified I am by what the Labour Party has become.

Yep. This is the single most important issue for me. Our rights are being flushed down the toilet. I've never voted Tory...but if Labour doesn't get their house in order then I can't vote Labour. I won't spoil my vote. We have to protect our rights.

@FOJN

The way that GC people are spoken to and about by TRAs is nothing new to those women because they have been spoken to and about in that way by left-wingers who consider themselves moral betters since time immemorial. They have been told that they are selfishly voting in their own interest and not considering those who are in a different position, and in the next breath that they are stupidly voting against their own interest on another issue, which is also bad. The only common denominator is that the leftist believes herself morally, superior, and believes anyone who disagrees on any topic to be a very bad person. Which ought to be a familiar position to come here, based on the events of recent years.

I would describe myself as left of center but my refusal to engage in this kind or morally superior behaviour has given me cause to question it. I recognise the behaviour you describe here and I find it appalling. I have right leaning friends who appear to be very reasonable, kind and compassionate people, strangely they don't resort to name calling, shaming or guilting me when we disagree. It's a refreshing change from the tyranny of the people I do actually agree with.

Agree with all of this.

I've come to realise that the Left is a place of deep rooted intolerance of diversity.

Like the tory party has ever given one single fuck about most women.

Johnson is a known serial liar. I would put precisely zero reliance on this.

The single-sex exemption didn't protect that poor woman who was raped in hospital and disbelieved for a year. Because the lunacy of de facto self ID means a predator with a dick got access to her. Even if he had a GRC, he'll have been one of the 80% of MtF GRC owners that keeps their dick.

Do you not worry - especially those of you expressing horror at agreeing with BoJo/Tories - that the fact that your view is shared by him and the tories is, perhaps, a signifier that you might be on the wrong side of history here?

Not for a second.

Do you think supporting rapists being housed in women's prisons, denying women fair competition in sport or gaslighting rape survivors puts you on the right side of history? Do you think encouraging children to share a secret with another adult but keep it from their parents or supporting them to irreversibly alter their body before they are old enough to possess a driving license puts you on the right side of history?

If believing that women should not be raped on single sex hospital wards (while a hospital lies to the woman and Police in part because of the rules surrounding GRC's) and believing that vulnerable women should not be incarcerated with males, including convicted sex offenders (who, given the amount of whom detransition the moment they leave prison, are clearly taking advantage of self id) puts me on what you believe to be 'the wrong side of history', I'm ok with that.

Me too.

What FOJN said. Your argument is the equivalent of saying all vegetarians are Nazis because Hitler was a vegetarian.

It’s been proven that women have been overwhelming at the brunt of Tory economic policy, but this issue is supposedly important enough to let them carry on swinging the wrecking ball?

Fuck that, I want them out, they’ve wrecked this country for years, they’ve rogered our health system, our educational system, our economy is stifled by Brexit, I couldn’t give a shit about having a vagina, they need to go.

And no I’m not on the wrong side of history here. I’ve studied it, and it’s not pleasant seeing the country go backwards.