Trans athlete wins in female swimming race

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www.lbc.co.uk/news/female-swimmers-transgender-lia-thomas-podium-protest-atlanta-result/

Don't know how true this story is but wonder if the public reaction to stuff like this will become more common.

My son runs as a sprinter. A lot of the events he runs are open; you are placed in a heat according to your PB. They are ranking events which contribute to PBs, club points etc. For a popular event like 100m, there might be 10 heats. The first, slowest heats might be anyone - a 70 year old man, an 11 year old girl etc. Gradually as you watch the heats things change. Even in a very ordinary local club athletics meet, the top 2 or 3 heats will be all male. You can imagine the Olympics being run in the same format and not a single woman would get a prize, TV time etc. Who would care?

@ClariceQuiff

Greasy misses the point that we are comparing elite with elite. Not elite with the bloke down the road.

Exactly. It's surely offensive to professional female athletes who've trained their whole lives to say they just didn't get enough funding or weren't pushed enough to be competitive!

@greasyshoes, wouldn't you agree that only elite men can compete fairly with other elite men, elite women cannot compete due to biological sex differences and therefore need their own competition?

Read Invisible Women. Do that anyway, but notice the section on comparative strength (roughly, statistics along lines of proving weak old man outgrips athletic young woman)

I have 4 teenage boys and have watched them in school swimming galas for years. WITHOUT FAIL - there are some really good female swimmers who are suddenly obliterated by previously average or barely able to swim boys in the final year of primary school once they are 6m or so into puberty. You cannot argue with testosterone.

Tweet tonight from Reka Gyorgy who took part in the meet, not verified yet: mobile.twitter.com/RekaGyorgy_/status/1505654417848213506

"My finals spot was stolen by Lia Thomas, who is a biological male. Until we all refuse to compete nothing will change. Thanks for all the support retweets and follows I wont stop fighting."

I think parkrun is a great example. Men and women of all ages and abilities running together. Some women will beat some men but the "winner" is ALWAYS a man. I looked at the 500 fastest ever times for my local one and there were only two women in the top 200. The fastest time for a woman was 140th.

Take the Williams sisters. Raised from when they were tiny to be supreme athletes. Absolutely zero socialisation to be anything else. Encouraged, funded, trained - every waking moment.

Venus and Serena Williams had claimed that they could beat any male player ranked outside the world's top 200, so Braasch, then ranked 203rd, challenged them both. Braasch was described by one journalist as "a man whose training regime centered around a pack of cigarettes and more than a couple of bottles of ice cold lager".[59][58] The matches took place on court number 12 in Melbourne Park,[60] after Braasch had finished a round of golf and two shandies. He first took on Serena and after leading 5–0, beat her 6–1. Venus then walked on court and again Braasch was victorious, this time winning 6–2.[58] Braasch said afterwards, "500 and above, no chance". He added that he had played like someone ranked 600th in order to keep the game "fun"[61]

That's tennis though, which is a game that's as much about skill as it is about raw strength. It's an incredibly small sample size too, only two women; the majority of people won't be the best at any sport, no matter how hard they train.

I doubt the Williams sisters being unable to beat Braasch had anything to do with fitness or physical strength. Serena Williams is extremely powerful and physically strong. There's no way a smoker and binge drinker could be stronger than her.

. You’re funny, greasyshoes. “Incredibly small sample size” . Yeah, coz those two women count for nothing…

@greasyshoes

That's tennis though, which is a game that's as much about skill as it is about raw strength. It's an incredibly small sample size too, only two women; the majority of people won't be the best at any sport, no matter how hard they train.

I doubt the Williams sisters being unable to beat Braasch had anything to do with fitness or physical strength. Serena Williams is extremely powerful and physically strong. There's no way a smoker and binge drinker could be stronger than her.

Not sure if serious…

@greasyshoes

That's tennis though, which is a game that's as much about skill as it is about raw strength. It's an incredibly small sample size too, only two women; the majority of people won't be the best at any sport, no matter how hard they train.

I doubt the Williams sisters being unable to beat Braasch had anything to do with fitness or physical strength. Serena Williams is extremely powerful and physically strong. There's no way a smoker and binge drinker could be stronger than her.

Are you seriously trying to say the Williams sisters lost against this low ranked man with a not exactly dedicated-sounding training regime because they were less skilled than him? Come off it. How bloody insulting and ignorant.

Greasy: 'Top elite woman can beat mediocre men therefore women as a whole have no physical advantage'

Mate, wait till I tell you about the existence of elite men - you're gonna be mind blown!

Lot of men coming out on Twitter tonight in support 💪

Greasy seems like you have never played tennis 🤣🤣🤣

You know fuck all about it

This is all just a joke for greasy, he is probably laughing away at people taking the time to seriously respond as he posts nonsense post after nonsense post. It doesn't impact him and he really doesn't care so it is just fun and games and a bit of a laugh on a boring day.

@greasyshoes

That's tennis though, which is a game that's as much about skill as it is about raw strength. It's an incredibly small sample size too, only two women; the majority of people won't be the best at any sport, no matter how hard they train.

I doubt the Williams sisters being unable to beat Braasch had anything to do with fitness or physical strength. Serena Williams is extremely powerful and physically strong. There's no way a smoker and binge drinker could be stronger than her.

Are you serious? So now the Williams sisters are an 'incredibly small sample size', but earlier on your claims were OK, even though they were n=1= you ?

ROTFL

That is it wims! This poster is going to come back with shit everytime.

Seriously laughing that this joker thinks tennis champions haven’t got male advantage. Have you never noticed the speed males serve at? The power of their returns?

Fastest male serve at 263 km /h is 25% faster than Serena Williams’ fastest of 209 km/h. If you cannot understand how returning balls of that speed require not just strength to be able to control it, but also the musculature to protect the body from damage just connecting a racquet to serves of that kind of pace time and time again.

Plus, as I mentioned before there is now research that shows males have faster reaction time in processing what they see coming towards them and reacting.

Plus there is twitch muscles, necessary for speed to reach the ball.

You are absolutely having the biggest laugh to say males don’t have many physical advantages to playing tennis.

@greasyshoes

That's tennis though, which is a game that's as much about skill as it is about raw strength. It's an incredibly small sample size too, only two women; the majority of people won't be the best at any sport, no matter how hard they train.

I doubt the Williams sisters being unable to beat Braasch had anything to do with fitness or physical strength. Serena Williams is extremely powerful and physically strong. There's no way a smoker and binge drinker could be stronger than her.

Except he was tho. 🤣

greasy is going to be sickened when he finds out how many men in the American armed forces pass annual fitness tests with ease even though they cope with military life by...being smokers and binge drinkers.

Has anyone seen a competent argument about why both Lia Thomas and Iszac Henig should be allowed in the Womens competition? I don't understand how the two arguments can co-exist that a trans womans inclusion in the womens competition is fundamental for gender identity but also trans men should get to compete.

FWIW, I have no problem with Henig competing, I'm just wondering what is the argument that satisfies both Henig and Thomas competing in the Womens

The underlying argument is that the men's is for "cis" men, and the women's is for non-men, i.e. women and people of marginalised genders/gender identities.

This means women go in the non-men's transitioned males go in the non-men's, and transitioning females stay in the non-men's.

You hear "trans women are women" a lot from that crowd. Some of them even believe it. You don't hear "trans men are men" nearly as much, because they don't think TMAM!

@greasyshoes. What 'societal factor' made LIa T a mediocre 400th something swimmer when he swam in the means team, but 1st in the women's team? Please explain.

www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/lia-thomas-debate-through-inaction-ncaa-operated-a-circus-at-championship-competition/