Emma Watson's dig at JKR

[IamSarah]

It appears she said at the BAFTAs 'I am here for all of the witches... bar one'

Disappointing but not unexpected.

twitter.com/emwatsonbestof/status/1503505167207084034?s=21

There's only one side attacking women

You must be new to the thread, or you're deciding to miss all the attacks on Emma on this thread alone.
Pretty vile stuff some of it was too.
Or does it not count if you're the wrong '' type '' of woman?

No, personal attacks and copy/pasting isn't allowed but I chose not to report it because I wanted people to see it happening. Would you like to know how many people, despite it not being allowed and being a shitty thing to do, came to my defence on that thread? Zero.

Say you think JKR is tacky or that you dont mind sharing a toilet with a trans person and everyone appears guns blazing to defend the rights of women. Someone GC being "attacked" by an "outsider" and again, massive pile on of defence of that person. Someone like me, who was literally just arguing that it's dangerous to hold someone in such massive regard and declare that they can literally do nothing ever wrong, gets nothing. No defence, not even a "hey that's not cool". This board is genuinely full of bullies, not everyone, but there are some regular posters who bully people off of the entire board because they dont hold the same views.

Oh and the whole "stop talking and leave" thing is happening on this very thread, Eel was told to stop talking so much, amongst other things.

If posters have a genuine concern for womens safety wouldn't an open discussion about the safety and respect of all women be a better discussion rather than one that involves attacking women

Are you saying that only discussions about ‘all’ women are worthy? Because that is a sentiment that is expressed here regularly. And the reality is, those males who seek to be included in any protections for women, mean other women are excluded in facilities. And many transitioned males understand that and don’t seek access to single sex spaces. But why is it then up to women to find solutions for males? They have support groups and lobby groups well embedded in government and government bodies around the UK.

So, are discussions about the safety of all females worthy of your respect? Or only discussions on the safety of all females and males?

(Yes, I deliberately changed it to females because I have two young trans females in my life and they certainly need women’s advocacy and are worth fighting for.)

@Somanysocks Of course it's in the title of the post and then backed up by the many many posts attacking Emma Watson. Awful when some people twist something as positive as feminism to suit their own ideology isn't it?

I don't want to hear all the reasons why you think you're right and I'm wrong. I know you're just dying to go there, but it's a no. It was a no yesterday and it's a no today. It'll be a no for the rest of my life.

So what you're saying is that you've made up your mind and you don't want to hear any arguments which might make you doubt your opinions. You are not open to hearing what others have to say because you might be forced to reconsider and contemplate the possibility that you might be wrong.

You just want to sit in your echo chamber and only discuss this with people who agree with you.

That's fine. You're welcome to your echo chamber. But there are many of us here who want to have our views challenged with a robust debate. You may not feel up to that challenge, but I live in hope that someone eventually will.

What part of this thread isn't about what you're trying to railroad it into don't you get?
I honestly don't know anymore if it's deliberate or what.
Maybe start a thread about that if that's what you want to talk about?

@Helleofabore yes I think all women are entitled to the same level of safety in security in society do you not? Who is not entitled in your opinion? Older women, disabled women? Young women?

@OldCrone

I don't want to hear all the reasons why you think you're right and I'm wrong. I know you're just dying to go there, but it's a no. It was a no yesterday and it's a no today. It'll be a no for the rest of my life.

So what you're saying is that you've made up your mind and you don't want to hear any arguments which might make you doubt your opinions. You are not open to hearing what others have to say because you might be forced to reconsider and contemplate the possibility that you might be wrong.

You just want to sit in your echo chamber and only discuss this with people who agree with you.

That's fine. You're welcome to your echo chamber. But there are many of us here who want to have our views challenged with a robust debate. You may not feel up to that challenge, but I live in hope that someone eventually will.

I don't want to have a 'robust debate' with you. I'm perfectly well aware of what a 'robust debate' will be.

@EeeICouldRipATissue

Are you saying those under the age of 18 can get double masectomies? I'm sure that's wrong (happy to be proved wrong though)

And there we go!

Despite all of the threads here, the evidence linked to, the wider news carrying services covering it, the legal undertakings to prevent it. We have a psoter who, rather than ask questions to find out what it is precisely that we nasty GC posters of MN are moaning about, comes in with YOU ARE WRONG.

And then, pages and pages of repetitious crap later says "Oh, hold on! That's not right. Do you have proof?" And yes, we do. Sadly, we have a lot of it.

@EeeICouldRipATissue WELCOME! With that one post you have come to the place I arrived at about 5 years ago. I too came here knowing that the posters in FWR were transphobic bigots and I was right, my friends needed defending from this crass nastiness. Then two things happened:

1. I read something that made me stop and think. I posted a short post, just like this one of yours and got a lot of answers. A little bit of a hissy fit, some ridicule, but then a LOT of time and effort from the very posters I had been spitting at.

1. I went and spoke to the trans people I had been defending, to see what their take on this was. Well, hand me my arse twice in one night! They were bemused that I had felt they needed defending against what was, to them, the truth of their lives.

To my shame I changed ny username and came back, wasn't brave enogh to do what some other posters recently have done and carry on posting under the same name they had been so vituperative under.

I hope you carry on questioning. Actually hearing what is being said. Even if you don't change your mind about many things you will be better informed, have a more complete picture and will better undertsand why women her are so passionate in what they post.

yes I think all women are entitled to the same level of safety in security in society do you not? Who is not entitled in your opinion? Older women, disabled women? Young women?

I will go one step further. I will say all men and women are entitled to the same level of safety and security. However, I am focused on improving the conditions for all females. Males already have people looking after their interests. I am concerned about all females. Older, disabled, young, of any race and ethnicity. Females.

I am merely asking you who you mean.

No, you got this section created because people were fed up with the topic

Yes

MNHQ created it, doesn’t matter what the reasoning is and I don’t belive I mentioned any ‘reason’

[quote autienotnaughty]@Somanysocks Of course it's in the title of the post and then backed up by the many many posts attacking Emma Watson. Awful when some people twist something as positive as feminism to suit their own ideology isn't it? [/quote]
I don't get this constant iteration of it"s so awful to "attack" Emma Watson?

What gives her a free pass over any one else in the public eye?

She's a terrible actress. She's been spouting her vapid, virtue signalling for years. At her latest outing at the Baftas she came across as incredibly smug yet still managed to fluff an obviously pre- planned line.

@EeeICouldRipATissue

But I don't think people are arguing against the existance of trans people, or the fact that they are allowed to change their bodies as adults You might not be, but some are - even on this thread it's been said that they don't think being trans exists, that trans people don't exist.

Oh no, don't backtrack. That hasn't been said. It has been translated but is not what has been said.

Trans people do exist. We all know they do. What we don't agree on, and the question whose answer is constantly being sidestepped, is why some people are and what rights they should have over and above those that they already have.

Have a read back through the thread and note down who has actually typed the words "Trans people do not exist/being trans does not exist"

@fenulla

are you saying that being trans doesn't exist? Yes

I'm pretty sure this counts.

Pmsl at the claim posters have said "trans people don't exist".

[quote Somanysocks]@TheChild you tagged me instead of autie, I agree with you.[/quote]
Sorry @Somanysocks my mistake! I should try and keep up with the entire thread but it's grown quite a bit since my initial post!

kikimosnightmare

As has been said, it's the sheer double standards at play on here.

Emma needs to be kind (really!?!)
She isn't staying classy enough.
She's too twitchy and that's not a good look
She's only saying that because she wants to please the men (in effect she can't possibly have her own opinion)
Etc
Since when are we policing what is proper behaviour for a woman?
Sometimes I have to check what board we're on again as it's so unbelievable!

@autienotnaughty

I do agree mn should be held accountable for these threads. There's all these calls on social media to better manage fake news and propaganda this is no different.

Are you saying that men attacking women in mixed sex changing rooms is a lie?

Or that some transwomen have exposed themselves in single sex female spaces is a lie?

Or that c.50% of transwomen in prison are there for sex based violence is a lie?

Or that transwomen transferred to the female estate have sexually assualted female inmates is a lie?

What is it about the facts discussed here that you think MN should be held to account for?

Merely stating that human beings cannot change sex?
That transwomen are transwomen, male bodied, never female?

What precisely shpuld MN be held to account for?

@RonniePickering

Pmsl at the claim posters have said "trans people don't exist".

They have.

fenulla
are you saying that being trans doesn't exist?
Yes

I'm pretty sure this counts

Yep
Just one of them there in black and white.
You're no doubt going to be told that you're mistaken, it didn't mean that
Pretty gaslighting behaviour if so.

[quote autienotnaughty]@Helleofabore yes I think all women are entitled to the same level of safety in security in society do you not? Who is not entitled in your opinion? Older women, disabled women? Young women? [/quote]
Men who say they are women.

That's it! They are entiteled to safety and security in society, but at the expense of the safety and security of women. Any women. All women.

I didn't see that comment to be fair.
I don't agree that "trans people don't exist".
I don't believe they can change sex, but "trans" obviously exists.

Just one of them there in black and white.

I am off to see if there was another sentence after that, to check the context, as I am fairly certain it was about it being a 'feeling' a mental health condition not a physical 'thing'.

@fenulla

There are plenty of men who dress in skirts and heels and call themselves women. They don't stop being men. That some people call them "trans" is unhelpful.

There we go. It was part of the "Define what you mean by trans" part of the thread. You can see what fenulla was getting at.

If you won't / can't define it then what is it we are talking about? Trans people remain male and female.

Not the black and white "trans people do not exist" as has been posited.

@EeeICouldRipATissue

fenulla are you saying that being trans doesn't exist? Yes

I'm pretty sure this counts

Yep
Just one of them there in black and white.
You're no doubt going to be told that you're mistaken, it didn't mean that
Pretty gaslighting behaviour if so.

You were right.