Emma Watson's dig at JKR

[IamSarah]

It appears she said at the BAFTAs 'I am here for all of the witches... bar one'

Disappointing but not unexpected.

twitter.com/emwatsonbestof/status/1503505167207084034?s=21

@NashvilleQueen

I prefer to keep an open mind to the idea that there may well be a difference that we are not able to quantify or measure at this time. There are many mysteries about the human body and mind. This is one of them.

Genuine question. Is there another area of science that you hold similar views about? That you won't accept until the end of recorded time in case someone comes up with proof of the contrary? Gravity? That the earth is round? The Big Bang theory?

Or where do you stand on someone who says they're a different race? Or a different age? Or species? Because all science is evolving but by your reckoning we can't be sure of anything because one day it might all turn out to be wrong.

So what is the reason people are trans then? Do you know? I certainly don't.

This is an unsolved mystery. Any area that is unexplained, I will wait for further information on.

*so what's the reason anybody is trans then?.."
They're not. It's not a thing that people ARE

They're not. It's not a thing that people ARE
So what is it, then?
Are you saying being trans doesn't exist?!
As it clearly does.

there may well be a difference that we are not able to quantify or measure

There might be, but why would that outweigh the differences that we are already easily able to quantify and measure?

So what is the reason people are trans then? Do you know? I certainly don't.

That depends on what you mean by 'people are trans'. Before we can establish why people are trans, we need to know what is meant by a 'trans person'. What is your definition?

@EeeICouldRipATissue

They're not. It's not a thing that people ARE So what is it, then? Are you saying being trans doesn't exist?! As it clearly does.

Well, there are certainly people who say they are trans. But what does it mean to be trans? Can you give a definition?

are you saying that being trans doesn't exist?
Yes

There are many reasons why people are trans and I have no issue with them being so. Anyone who wants to say they are trans can knock themselves out as far as I'm concerned.

What they're not however is the opposite sex than their biology dictates. However much they wish it and however generous an interpretation on the science some people want to allow it, they remain trans men or trans women.

And biological women are entitled to sex-based rights that can't be assumed by others on the basis of simply 'feeling' like a woman when biologically male.

I'm interested in the wider discussion around

How? You aren't listening to any response.

The only way you can know what being trans is is if you have a baseline of information. In this case what the starting point is, what is being transformed from and into.

If you can't even accept that human beings are either make or female then you have no baseline, nothing to transform into or away from.

So, using your logic, no trans people do not exist. But, by extrapolation, neither do males and females. We are all something else...

@BlindGirlMcSqueaky
So what is the reason people are trans then? Do you know? I certainly don't. This is an unsolved mystery. Any area that is unexplained, I will wait for further information on.

I tried to engage with you about this but you did not reply.
The fact that some people feel extreme discomfort with their own sex, remains unknown. I agree. That's where the mistery ends. There are still two sexes, and no human can't change sex.

So let me get this straight.
Nobody is willing to even attempt to answer because first it's '' define trans?! ''
It's a deflecting tactic, surely.
There's never going to be a reasonable discussion is there, when it just goes round and round in fucking circles.
Whatever anyone says, you're going to say '' ah but I don't accept your definition, shall we try again?! ad nauseum
It's honestly laughable.

Well, there are certainly people who say they are trans. But what does it mean to be trans?

Well, that's what we're asking, isn't it?!
We all know it's a mismatch between body and self/mind/identity.
You as well, unless you've changed your mind now or are pretending you don't know?

Of course you have to define it

Nope. That's not quite it.

I have linked to my understanding. As have others. It has been rejected.

I have explained that not being able to identify a baseline of reality, agreed truth, renders any further discussion impossible.

It isn't me saying that until mankind knows everything it is ever possible to know then nothing can be known!

So what people are saying and what you seem to be missing the point of is why are people trans, and why do some cis people have a strong sense of self/identity as a woman that has nothing to do with their body?
Anyone?
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No?
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@SamphiretheStickerist

Nope. That's not quite it.

I have linked to my understanding. As have others. It has been rejected.

I have explained that not being able to identify a baseline of reality, agreed truth, renders any further discussion impossible.

It isn't me saying that until mankind knows everything it is ever possible to know then nothing can be known!

Then out of interest, how do you propose a discussion ever be had if both sides are rejecting the understanding of the other?

There are plenty of men who dress in skirts and heels and call themselves women. They don't stop being men. That some people call them "trans" is unhelpful.

Nope. That's not quite it
Well there you go, colour me surprised.

Then out of interest, how do you propose a discussion ever be had if both sides are rejecting the understanding of the other?

Exactly!

This is an unsolved mystery. Any area that is unexplained, I will wait for further information on.

What is your preferred word limit for this information? Asking for researchers, scientists and philosophers across the world.

Fenella
They clearly do exist though.

Then out of interest, how do you propose a discussion ever be had if both sides are rejecting the understanding of the other

You make assumptions there. I do know what induces some people to become transmen and women. I don't reject them, disbelieve them or insist they do not exist.

I find it weird that it is never, in my experience, transpeople who have issue with how I understand them, interact with them, believe that they have assumed a gender that is not their actual sex. It is always people who purport to support transpeople who have those issues with me and my understanding, my belief etc.

@EeeICouldRipATissue

Well, there are certainly people who say they are trans. But what does it mean to be trans?

Well, that's what we're asking, isn't it?!
We all know it's a mismatch between body and self/mind/identity.
You as well, unless you've changed your mind now or are pretending you don't know?

I certainly think that's what it used to mean, Eee. I'm less sure what it means now.

I took the you as being a general you, not just aimed at you directly.

So what people are saying and what you seem to be missing the point of is why are people trans, and why do some cis people have a strong sense of self/identity as a woman that has nothing to do with their body?

Not cis.

And I have no idea what the rest of that means. I don't have a strong feeling of being a woman. I am me. The only time I know I am female is when I am faced with something my sexed body does, or does not do, because of it's being sexed.

All people are sexed.

Some people have a disconnect with that and choose to adopt a gender that reduces their feelings if discomfort - as with any dysmorphia.