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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Emma Watson's dig at JKR

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IamSarah · 15/03/2022 07:39

It appears she said at the BAFTAs 'I am here for all of the witches... bar one'

Disappointing but not unexpected.

twitter.com/emwatsonbestof/status/1503505167207084034?s=21

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Enough4me · 15/03/2022 14:47

Men are centred even within trans issues, transmen do not receive attention as they are females and still second class compared with men. Transmen...know your place (behind males).

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 15/03/2022 14:50

@EeeICouldRipATissue

I'm confused as to why you've seemingly started a whole new discussion about something unrelated to this thread, on this thread? Exactly and thank fuck, not just me Grin If it was a non GC poster there'd be posts complaining about whataboutery or someone going ''Look a squirrel!' '

Grin

So you want us to have a thread about Watson being unkind and so on? Confused
EeeICouldRipATissue · 15/03/2022 14:50

Sorry why does "bar one" imply JKR? It could mean anyone else lol!

Ha, good point
If she did say it, could have been about anyone.
Could have had a barney with her mum the night before.
Could have fallen out with the usher greeting people at the door, maybe got told off for not wiping her feet properly Grin
All speculation isn't it

LaTisaniere · 15/03/2022 14:51

@PurgatoryOfPotholes Yes I read the photo you included the first time, but it's still not clearing up why you're posting it and talking about Mama Cash and the impact on India on a thread about whether or not Emma Watson said something at the Baftas?

Enough4me · 15/03/2022 14:53

We know she meant JKR.

EeeICouldRipATissue · 15/03/2022 14:55

We know she meant JKR.

We don't even know for definite she said it in the first place.

Enough4me · 15/03/2022 14:56

@LaTisaniere, I wonder if @EeeICouldRipATissue has avoided a straight forward question on another thread. Having looked at the link, it's clearly wrong that vulnerable women in India need single sex services and not to have these removed for men.

BoredZelda · 15/03/2022 14:58

She really does.

She really doesn’t. She is an actor who took a job. If she owes anyone, it is to the casting directors who chose her after she repeatedly proved herself to be capable across 8 auditions.

I don't loathe Emma Watson, but I do think she is an over privileged smug boring woke irritating young woman, who (as a pp said,) is so far removed from being an ordinary women of the UK, that it's insulting and infuriating that she thinks she can speak for the rest of us.

JKR came from a privileged middle class background, I find her smug and boring too. She is also far removed from being an ordinary woman but you are happy for her to speak for you? Presumably that because she has the same views. Watson hasn’t claimed to speak for anyone, she just has her own opinions, which she is allowed to have.

And whilst I agree that many people don't necessarily owe their career to the writers and producers, who produced the stuff they starred in, I do think Emma Watson does. As do some of the other Harry Potter actors, because they are really not the most amazing actors, and they were VERY lucky to have got the Harry Potter roles. The way they insult and berate JK Rowling is disgusting. I am embarrassed for them. They should be ashamed of themselves.

They were not “lucky” They were all heavily auditioned. And if they had been shit, no amount of good writing would have covered that up. They could have been replaced at any point. They worked hard and did a decent job. Rowling just wrote the stories. There are a whole load of other people who were involved in turning it into the movies which made her all the money.

Watson is bland and dull and mediocre in everything she does. And Radcliffe and Grint are even moreso! Bet you can't name more than 3 things that any of these 3 'stars' have done, without looking. I know I can't! They are incredibly forgettable. Their Harry Potter performances were probably some of their best work! So THAT is telling in itself, that their average performances in Harry Potter were some of their best work!

I can’t even name any of the Potter movies. I have seen bits of them as my daughter watches them, the kids seem no better or worse than most child actors. Rare to see any who blow you away. Also rare to see child actors transition to adult movies in any meaningful way, for every Jodie Foster there are a dozen Mara Wilsons. There are all sorts of reasons for that but people expect to see the adult character with the same quirks and traits they had as child actors and won’t see them as grown ups.

But all of that is entirely irrelevant as the point is, picking on her for this opinion by slagging off her acting skills is ridiculous and anti-feminist. Nobody has this amount of vitriol of her, or her role in Potter until she made her own view on this clear.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 15/03/2022 14:59

[quote LaTisaniere]@PurgatoryOfPotholes Yes I read the photo you included the first time, but it's still not clearing up why you're posting it and talking about Mama Cash and the impact on India on a thread about whether or not Emma Watson said something at the Baftas?[/quote]
I think Emma's decision to lend credibility to Mama Cash (an organisation that has an impact on women) is far more relevant to a discussion of her on the feminist board than speculation about how she got into university, don't you?

LaTisaniere · 15/03/2022 15:01

[quote Enough4me]**@LaTisaniere, I wonder if @EeeICouldRipATissue has avoided a straight forward question on another thread. Having looked at the link, it's clearly wrong that vulnerable women in India need single sex services and not to have these removed for men.[/quote]
Well if Eel has indeed avoided a question on another thread, perhaps Purgatory should send a private message rather than bring the discussion to another thread. Not saying that for any reason other than the fact I have no clue what/who mama cash is and I don't suppose I'm the only one. So perhaps not the best place for it.

BoredZelda · 15/03/2022 15:03

the fact remains that JKR's presence has only resulted in good things for EW

Yes I’m sure she is very grateful that the abuse she gets for voicing her opinion on something she was only asked to talk about because JKR made a nuisance of herself about the trans issue.

LaTisaniere · 15/03/2022 15:03

I think Emma's decision to lend credibility to Mama Cash (an organisation that has an impact on women) is far more relevant to a discussion of her on the feminist board than speculation about how she got into university, don't you?

Well, most likely, but this is a thread about what she did or didn't mouth at the Baftas. If it's a very important subject, then a new thread is in order as then you'd get a lot of interesting discussion from people who are interested in the subject.

EeeICouldRipATissue · 15/03/2022 15:04

far more relevant to a discussion of her on the feminist board than speculation about how she got into university, don't you?

The point you're completely missing though is that that's a whole new discussion and thread.
Why not start your own thread about that for people to discuss it?
If you 're taking exception to the discussion not being a worthy feminism thread for here, why just now when there's some dissenting voices?
So you agree that it's not feminism to be speculating on someone' s University credentials, and how they got them, and talking about fuckability factor?
We can at least agree on something if so.

RonniePickering · 15/03/2022 15:06

Yes I’m sure she is very grateful that the abuse she gets for voicing her opinion on something she was only asked to talk about because JKR made a nuisance of herself about the trans issue.

A nuisance of herself... nice.

ImAvingOops · 15/03/2022 15:11

Pesky JKR, talking about women's rights and shit Hmm

EeeICouldRipATissue · 15/03/2022 15:12

Pesky Emma, standing up for all women
Hmm

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 15/03/2022 15:12

Not saying that for any reason other than the fact I have no clue what/who mama cash is and I don't suppose I'm the only one. So perhaps not the best place for it.

That's a shame, because I posted about on this thread on page 2.

If you 're taking exception to the discussion not being a worthy feminism thread for here, why just now when there's some dissenting voices?

Just now? I posted about Mama Cash on page 2. Then I went off out. I'm quite surprised to see the direction the thread has taken, since then, tbh. Perhaps you'll help get it back on track, then?

Blossomtoes · 15/03/2022 15:12

JKR made a nuisance of herself about the trans issue

Seriously?

Mummyoflittledragon · 15/03/2022 15:13

@PurgatoryOfPotholes
Your posts are informative as always. Thank you.

@BoredZelda
Privilege can make people terribly blinkered. JKR has not always been privileged. She was very much an ordinary woman and incredibly poor after her marriage broke down. Once a person has suffered greatly, experienced what it’s like to be invisible, they see the world another way.

DrSbaitso · 15/03/2022 15:15

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LaTisaniere · 15/03/2022 15:15

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

Not saying that for any reason other than the fact I have no clue what/who mama cash is and I don't suppose I'm the only one. So perhaps not the best place for it.

That's a shame, because I posted about on this thread on page 2.

If you 're taking exception to the discussion not being a worthy feminism thread for here, why just now when there's some dissenting voices?

Just now? I posted about Mama Cash on page 2. Then I went off out. I'm quite surprised to see the direction the thread has taken, since then, tbh. Perhaps you'll help get it back on track, then?

I don't know if I'm just being really stupid (highly possible, barely slept the past few nights and have been surviving on coffee!) or if we're misunderstanding each other. I don't see the relevance of what you've posted about Mama Cash, even on page 2, with the title and topic of discussion on this thread. I'm genuinely not having a dig, promise, I'm just getting a bit frustrated that I'm either not understanding the relevance, or I'm stupid, or you're posting in the wrong place.
EeeICouldRipATissue · 15/03/2022 15:16

Just now? I posted about Mama Cash on page 2.
Are you deliberately misreading posts, or what?
Confused

This thread.
Meaning the Emma one you're on.
Not your Mama Cash squirrel derail.
Seriously, why not start a thread about it like other posters have suggested?
As we're saying it's got nothing to do with this thread and you're more likely to get people replying who know more about it.

DrSbaitso · 15/03/2022 15:16

@EeeICouldRipATissue

Pesky Emma, standing up for all women Hmm
Bar one.

What's a woman?

EeeICouldRipATissue · 15/03/2022 15:17

I don't see the relevance of what you've posted about Mama Cash, even on page 2, with the title and topic of discussion on this thread. I'm genuinely not having a dig, promise, I'm just getting a bit frustrated that I'm either not understanding the relevance, or I'm stupid, or you're posting in the wrong place

Exactly, and same!

WinterTrees · 15/03/2022 15:17

I'm not interested in playing pigeon chess, but was very interested in the Mama Cash link, thanks PurgatoryofPotholes

EeeI might want to dismiss it as irrelevant to this particular thread, but it's always really useful to have information collated to help people join the dots for themselves. It's why Mumsnet is such an invaluable resource (or a dangerous one, depending on your perspective.)

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