Emma Watson's dig at JKR

[IamSarah]

It appears she said at the BAFTAs 'I am here for all of the witches... bar one'

Disappointing but not unexpected.

twitter.com/emwatsonbestof/status/1503505167207084034?s=21

@EeeICouldRipATissue

What double standards?

Like on this thread - just one example is about her being unkind.
Really, seriously?!
Isn't it women don't have to be kind?!
Funny that everybody is ignoring the posts like that.
I know we're not a hive kind before anyone says, but there's a definite theme of hypocrisy running through here.

No hypocrisy from me. I don't subscribe to "be kind' or that no other woman should ever be criticised or that I should stand up for a woman just because she's a woman. I can't stand Emma Watson and her twee simpering. Never understood why she used to be lauded on MN as a good role model.

She's also a terrible actress. That little scene was so obviously scripted and she even managed to act it badly.

My opinion of her now is exactly the same as it was before BAFTAs.

I will happily criticise any woman on their behaviour (note I haven’t done on this thread). The whole thing was incredibly crass and she was complicit, a moomin on the moon could have foreseen that RW mentioning JKR then introducing EW as a witch would open up a giant bucket of worms. If she thinks what JKR has said is wrong she should stand behind her own views and say them plainly, just as Radcliffe and Grint and any of the others should too. Not make stupid snipes on a massive platform to the hoots and cheers or derision from the audience members. (See I have watched it). I doubt very much EW would have ended up working in MacDonald’s she comes from a pretty well off white middle class background and should have been able to succeed at what ever she chose.

I really used to think MN was a great place to come for feminist discussion, I used to respect what the posters were saying even if I didn't agree with them, but honestly, this is the nail in the coffin for me. The posters slating EW and calling her thick, a brat, nasty, an idiot, saying she bought her education, is a shit actress etc are giant fucking hypocrites.

@BoredZelda

She doesn’t “owe her career” to Rowling.

She really does.

I don't loathe Emma Watson, but I do think she is an over privileged smug boring woke irritating young woman, who (as a pp said,) is so far removed from being an ordinary women of the UK, that it's insulting and infuriating that she thinks she can speak for the rest of us.

And whilst I agree that many people don't necessarily owe their career to the writers and producers, who produced the stuff they starred in, I do think Emma Watson does. As do some of the other Harry Potter actors, because they are really not the most amazing actors, and they were VERY lucky to have got the Harry Potter roles. The way they insult and berate JK Rowling is disgusting. I am embarrassed for them. They should be ashamed of themselves.

Watson is bland and dull and mediocre in everything she does. And Radcliffe and Grint are even moreso! Bet you can't name more than 3 things that any of these 3 'stars' have done, without looking. I know I can't! They are incredibly forgettable. Their Harry Potter performances were probably some of their best work! So THAT is telling in itself, that their average performances in Harry Potter were some of their best work!

Never understood why she used to be lauded on MN as a good role model.

Did she?!
That makes it even more laughable (for want of a better word) if so.
The minute a woman steps out of place thought wise the tide turns, then.
Interesting

As I said - the double standards is staggering.

I think I might ring a bell every time people who defend women’s rights against those who would toss them away knowing they will never be affected in the same way are labelled ‘misogynists’ - it’s not misogynistic to criticise another woman, particularly one who is happy to throw other women and girls under a bus, including one to whom you owe your big break. It’s actually possible to not make a nasty dig when you’re giving a speech? Also she’s being lauded in the media where throwing women under a bus is the approved narrative, so don’t worry too much about ‘poor’ EW.

@LaTisaniere

I really used to think MN was a great place to come for feminist discussion, I used to respect what the posters were saying even if I didn't agree with them, but honestly, this is the nail in the coffin for me. The posters slating EW and calling her thick, a brat, nasty, an idiot, saying she bought her education, is a shit actress etc are giant fucking hypocrites.

So, are women not allowed to criticize other women 'because feminism???'

As I said earlier, I am not going to Royally support someone, no matter what, just because they have a vagina, breasts, and a uterus!

Grow up!

@KittyLeMew

I think I might ring a bell every time people who defend women’s rights against those who would toss them away knowing they will never be affected in the same way are labelled ‘misogynists’ - it’s not misogynistic to criticise another woman, particularly one who is happy to throw other women and girls under a bus, including one to whom you owe your big break. It’s actually possible to not make a nasty dig when you’re giving a speech? Also she’s being lauded in the media where throwing women under a bus is the approved narrative, so don’t worry too much about ‘poor’ EW.

100% this! ^

So, are women not allowed to criticize other women 'because feminism???'

Of course they are!
This goes beyond that though.
You presumably are OK with people disagreeing with JK Rowling then?
If it was her being called a brat, accused of buying her education, ungrateful to the '' boss who made her'' She's just a child who doesn't know any better?
Really?

She said "by the way"...

I'm quite an adept lip reader. Without the sound on, which doesn't usually help anyway, I see that as "bar one". She usually has clear diction, and her mouth doesn't make enough movement for "by the way".
Anyway, cheap shot, unnecessary, and won't age well.

Having just watched it I think it backfired on her.

She looked incredibly smug and I think she expected a lot more than that solitary "woop!" from the audience. I think she expected it to have much more impact, and it actually fell very flat.

When she carries on speaking I think she looks quite nervous and embarrassed. I think she was expecting some kind of huge round of applause and wasn't sure how to continue when it didn't happen.

I think she is probably very embarrassed right now.

....her voice is definitely shaky when she starts off the next bit with "uuumm"

Really think she was expecting rapturous applause.

Women are allowed to criticise other women.

But suggesting she's only in the position she is because of others, because she's pretty ("fuckable"), or because she's slept her way there / is in cahoots with HW is nothing more than misogyny.

Heaven forfend a woman (or female child) who is pretty succeed at auditions.

And remember the crucial part - we don't know what she said or if it was directed at JKR. And yet that is enough to unleash this level of outrage and personal attacks.

IF she did say it and IF it was directed at JKR then I would say her comments are foolish and short sighted. I would not start implying she bought her way into university or calling her a twat. There is a middle ground, you know?

Meh!

I don't know her. She is not an actress whose work I like or watch. I used to think she could possibly be a decent role model for girls, fully dressed, articulate, brave characters. Then she decided to go topless and it became clear that she was not happy to remain that kind of actress, she wanted more of the Hollywood glamour.

Then she started in on the Be Kind to Everyone But the Woman Who Made Me Famous malarkey and I decided she was not, at any time, acting in good faith. She is ,as are so many others out there in LaLaLand, in a weird LuvvyBubble where everything @sourdoughismyreligion said applies.

So again meh! She has chosen to be like water, go wherever the flow is easiest. That is her choice. Just as it is my choice to change my mind about her as her actions make me reappraise the little I know of her.

She lives in the limelight. She sets out her opinions in the limelight. I resond to that.

Whatever, whoever she is at home I neither know nor care. And, if she is as clever as she has been made out to be she will have a clean disconnect between who she is seen to be and who she actually is.

So I can dislike her public persona as publicly as I like. And I do, because she has shown herself to be the kind of feminist who centres men!

@KittyLeMew

I think I might ring a bell every time people who defend women’s rights against those who would toss them away knowing they will never be affected in the same way are labelled ‘misogynists’ - it’s not misogynistic to criticise another woman, particularly one who is happy to throw other women and girls under a bus, including one to whom you owe your big break. It’s actually possible to not make a nasty dig when you’re giving a speech? Also she’s being lauded in the media where throwing women under a bus is the approved narrative, so don’t worry too much about ‘poor’ EW.

We could make it into a drinking game but we'd be risking the long term health of our livers.

It's a ridiculous accusation to make. It's not EW's sex which is the problem, it is her elitism, her luxury beliefs, and her wilful blindness to the lives of women who didn't have her privileged upbringing. It's easy to be Lady Bountiful and give away women's rights when you live in an elite bubble and won't share in the consequences.

Echo's of Lord Farquaad ''some of you may be badly affected, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to make''.

I can't be bothered to decide whether it was 'by the way' or 'bar one', never mind whether it was an impromptu retort to Rebel Wilson or an attempt to distance herself from JK Rowling. I'm far more interested in whether she lends credibility to organisations that work against international efforts to end modern slavery (the majority of those enslaved are female, by the way).

But, the Harry Potter child actors do actually owe their careers to Rowling, as Rowling made it a condition of her contract with Warners bros that they cast unknown, British actors for the child roles.

She wanted the film to make money for those who didn't already have it, as the books had done for her.

Now, could we please discuss the impact of Mama Cash in India?

thecritic.co.uk/issues/june-2021/putting-women-last/

Women are allowed to criticise other women.
But suggesting she's only in the position she is because of others, because she's pretty ("fuckable"), or because she's slept her way there / is in cahoots with HW is nothing more than misogyny.

Exactly

@EeeICouldRipATissue

So, are women not allowed to criticize other women 'because feminism???'

Of course they are!
This goes beyond that though.
You presumably are OK with people disagreeing with JK Rowling then?
If it was her being called a brat, accused of buying her education, ungrateful to the '' boss who made her'' She's just a child who doesn't know any better?
Really?

Well if the shoe fits.

Of course, people can criticise others, I think criticising is important, it helps you learn others’ points of view. But most of what’s happening on this thread isn’t criticising, it’s nasty playground bullshit.

• She's a supremely shit actress anyway 🤷🏼‍♀️
• She comes across as an entitled spoilt brat.
• Pathetic behaviour and she's a disgrace.
• She's very self-satisfied isn't she?
• She’s such a poor actress that she fluffs the delivery
• deeply spiteful and certainly no feminist. I’m embarrassed for her.
• Emma Watson thinks that she's cleverer than she truly is.
• She’s a fucking idiot, and no feminist
• I remember watching the first HP film and being aghast at how bad an actress she was.
• What a brat.
• More bitch than witch
• I've always thought Watson was a vacuous, simpering, virtue signalling airhead.

You get the picture.

Now compare that to the times someone dares say they simply don't particularly like JKR and they get piled-on by JKR's biggest fangirls - it's incredibly hypocritical.

Obviously she's entitled to her views, but she's not very classy in this particular instance.

She isn't a very good actress. Which is not unusual for child stars, the things that make a child a good pick do not necessarily translate to being a good actor or actress as an adult.

She seems to have a good work ethic, I have no doubt she worked hard for her degree, but in and of itself it doesn't always tell you a lot about higher reasoning skills.

She's a supremely shit actress anyway

I can't ever object to this being said, whatever the context. It's so painfully true. She is the absolute worst.