Emma Watson's dig at JKR

[IamSarah]

It appears she said at the BAFTAs 'I am here for all of the witches... bar one'

Disappointing but not unexpected.

twitter.com/emwatsonbestof/status/1503505167207084034?s=21

It would be a weird thing to say otherwise!

Not in the context of the disagreement with JKR whom EW fundamentally disagrees on the trans/GC issue it wouldn't.

Even if she did say "bar one", the most obvious person she's directing that to would be Rebel, considering she, only seconds earlier, called Emma a witch. JKR isn't mentioned at all, yet it's immediately believed that this is about her?

I doubt Emma Watson is obsessing over JKR enough to be making random digs at her out of the blue at an awards ceremony, just the same as I doubt JKR is obsessing over EW enough to be directing her digs at her!

If the roles were reversed and it was JKR presenting the award and people were debating whether she said "bar one" or "by the way", I'd bet all my money on the fact that you'd be saying "don't be ridiculous, of course she said 'by the way' and not 'bar one', do people really think JKR is so obsessed with EW that she would be directing a dig at her? HA! Emma wishes she could be so important to warrant that"

@Fieldofgreycorn

I'm no fan, but to me it looks like she says "by the way" not "bar one".

I thought it was ‘by the way’ as well. Didn’t even cross my mind that it would be ‘bar one’.
She hasn’t said anything about JkR in the past. All she said was that she supports trans people etc. She’s never actually mentioned JKR. She’s allowed to not have the same views.

Oh yes, totally coincidentally

@LaTisaniere

Even if she did say "bar one", the most obvious person she's directing that to would be Rebel, considering she, only seconds earlier, called Emma a witch. JKR isn't mentioned at all, yet it's immediately believed that this is about her?

I doubt Emma Watson is obsessing over JKR enough to be making random digs at her out of the blue at an awards ceremony, just the same as I doubt JKR is obsessing over EW enough to be directing her digs at her!

If the roles were reversed and it was JKR presenting the award and people were debating whether she said "bar one" or "by the way", I'd bet all my money on the fact that you'd be saying "don't be ridiculous, of course she said 'by the way' and not 'bar one', do people really think JKR is so obsessed with EW that she would be directing a dig at her? HA! Emma wishes she could be so important to warrant that"

Google Emma Watson and JK Rowling. Pages and pages of coverage of Watson being 'praised' for throwing shade at JKR at the BAFTAs.

@NashvilleQueen It's still weird, even in that context. 'Witches' is the GC term for themselves - and hilariously, a term that many trans-allies use too. It is a positive term for women who feel marginalsied, which is why it's used by both. It wouldn't make sense to use JKR's own, positive, term to disparage her.

From EW's perspective, JKR isn't a witch! And from JKR's perspective, JKR IS a witch. Hence the "this witch doesn't burn" T shirt

I’ve watched it and she clearly says ‘bar one’ and it’s not a playful expression (ie a retort to Rebel).

Very unpleasant.

While I fully agree JKR's views should be treated in a respectful manner as a matter of common courtesy, I don't agree that EW 'owes' JKR anything because EW starred in the HP films.

The films were a cash and fame generating exercise for all involved, JKR included. EW is not bound to agree with JKR's every opinion for the rest of her life because she was part of them.

@sourdoughismyreligion

She's a boring over-privileged youngish woman. Her life is so far removed from the lives of women in the UK it is astonishing she feels entitled to speak for us.

She supports trans demands because she can't imagine herself in a position where she'll ever be negatively impacted by them.

She won't be at her small town bus station at 10PM hovering her privileged posterior over a piss soaked toilet seat, and then navigating her way out of the mixed sex toilet past the local drunk who leers at her tits and mutters something filthy.

She can't see herself in prison having to shower with one of the male prisoners who self-identify as women for the duration of their sentence.

She can't imagine herself as a vulnerable elderly woman in need of assistance in bathing, and after requesting a woman to do the job opening up the door to find her 'female' carer is very obviously male.

If she's ever in a domestically abusive relationship with a man, she has her own wealth to rely on. She won't need to flee with nothing but the clothes on her back to a shelter which to her horror she finds is mixed sex and she's expected to talk about her experiences of sexual abuse in front of a member of the same sex who abused her.

She can't imagine any of these situations so she doesn't see them, and she rejects them. They don't apply to Watson or her privileged life among the global elites and therefore they don't matter.

[quote ImInStealthMode]@ATeamAmy I was thinking of Laverne Cox in that role when I wrote my original comment. Of course the same actor had a significant role in Orange is the New Black but was playing a trans character. Inventing Anna is the first time (to my knowledge) I've seen a TW play a biological female. I suspect it won't be the last.[/quote]
There are 2 in "The L Word, Generation Q" that we're expected to believe are actually female. Neither is remotely convincing.

Rebel Wilson had a dig at JKR

"Now I might look a bit different from the last time you guys saw me here," she began telling the audience, adding: "I’ve done quite the transformation, I hope JK Rowling still approves."

then Emma Watson came on to present next.

Tbh the whole thing was weird

It came out of the blue when rebel Wilson was talking about her weight loss.

Dunno what JKR had a connection to her weight loss

@NancyDrawed

Having just watched the clip Jobseeker posters, it sounds/looks to me as if she says 'by the way' at the end, rather than 'bar one'

Either way I'm sure JKR is fine without her

I also heard it as 'by the way' when I saw it yday

@sourdoughismyreligion

She's a boring over-privileged youngish woman. Her life is so far removed from the lives of women in the UK it is astonishing she feels entitled to speak for us.

She supports trans demands because she can't imagine herself in a position where she'll ever be negatively impacted by them.

She won't be at her small town bus station at 10PM hovering her privileged posterior over a piss soaked toilet seat, and then navigating her way out of the mixed sex toilet past the local drunk who leers at her tits and mutters something filthy.

She can't see herself in prison having to shower with one of the male prisoners who self-identify as women for the duration of their sentence.

She can't imagine herself as a vulnerable elderly woman in need of assistance in bathing, and after requesting a woman to do the job opening up the door to find her 'female' carer is very obviously male.

If she's ever in a domestically abusive relationship with a man, she has her own wealth to rely on. She won't need to flee with nothing but the clothes on her back to a shelter which to her horror she finds is mixed sex and she's expected to talk about her experiences of sexual abuse in front of a member of the same sex who abused her.

She can't imagine any of these situations so she doesn't see them, and she rejects them. They don't apply to Watson or her privileged life among the global elites and therefore they don't matter.

This is a brilliant, brilliant post. I know she won't, but I wish she would see it and think about it.

@ImInStealthMode

Thanks *@ATeamAmy*, I haven't seen The Queen's Gambit.

Just going to pop in here and say, it's brilliant, so if you get the chance, do watch it. Central role played by a woman whose most prominent feature is her brain and chessplaying ability, and one of the main strands in the story is her relationship with the older woman who becomes her adoptive mother.

Those two (RW and EW) are of limited talented and acting like 14 year olds ffs.
@sourdoughismyreligion
What you say completely. Makes me cry cos I was the lassie with new born trying to get away from the abuser. I was lucky although I had no money or social standing but I had family . Thankfully.

@Clymene So? There are plenty of articles about how transphobic JKR is, as well. Doesn't mean any of it is true, does it? I've seen loads of headlines stating she said "by the way", the media is reporting both and then threads on places like Mumsnet are being created where everyone is either beating the shit out of Emma Watson, or JKR - making this "feud" that probably isn't even a feud in the first place, even bigger, go figure.

She is the very definition of smug.

She's in her thirties now. Time to leave the Head Girl image behind. And maybe she can start to pay her taxes.

@sourdoughismyreligion

She's a boring over-privileged youngish woman. Her life is so far removed from the lives of women in the UK it is astonishing she feels entitled to speak for us.

She supports trans demands because she can't imagine herself in a position where she'll ever be negatively impacted by them.

She won't be at her small town bus station at 10PM hovering her privileged posterior over a piss soaked toilet seat, and then navigating her way out of the mixed sex toilet past the local drunk who leers at her tits and mutters something filthy.

She can't see herself in prison having to shower with one of the male prisoners who self-identify as women for the duration of their sentence.

She can't imagine herself as a vulnerable elderly woman in need of assistance in bathing, and after requesting a woman to do the job opening up the door to find her 'female' carer is very obviously male.

If she's ever in a domestically abusive relationship with a man, she has her own wealth to rely on. She won't need to flee with nothing but the clothes on her back to a shelter which to her horror she finds is mixed sex and she's expected to talk about her experiences of sexual abuse in front of a member of the same sex who abused her.

She can't imagine any of these situations so she doesn't see them, and she rejects them. They don't apply to Watson or her privileged life among the global elites and therefore they don't matter.

I think this sums it up beautifully.

I rarely care what most actors and actresses think about what is going on for precisely this reason - many (particularly film actors/resses) are so far removed from the lives of the majority of people their comments are just noise designed primarily to promote themselves - after all their lives and work revolve around promoting themselves. Their image is EVERYTHING. It is a rare person in that position who won't go along with the 'current cause' to garner some PR and an even rarer person who will have informed themselves on the matter beyond what is 'the right thing to say' for positive attention. Emma Watson, Rebel Wilson are playing a PR game because as sourdoughismyreligion said above they have no reason to look deeper - those things won't affect them and I strongly suspect they subscribe to the 'I'malrightJack; school of philosophy which is prevalent among many academic women on Twitter.

And I hate to break it to certain posters but academic achievements are not necessarily a great indication of intelligence. I met many ridiculous people as a student and even more (who probably shouldn't have been at university) when I taught.

@sourdoughismyreligion

She's a boring over-privileged youngish woman. Her life is so far removed from the lives of women in the UK it is astonishing she feels entitled to speak for us.

She supports trans demands because she can't imagine herself in a position where she'll ever be negatively impacted by them.

She won't be at her small town bus station at 10PM hovering her privileged posterior over a piss soaked toilet seat, and then navigating her way out of the mixed sex toilet past the local drunk who leers at her tits and mutters something filthy.

She can't see herself in prison having to shower with one of the male prisoners who self-identify as women for the duration of their sentence.

She can't imagine herself as a vulnerable elderly woman in need of assistance in bathing, and after requesting a woman to do the job opening up the door to find her 'female' carer is very obviously male.

If she's ever in a domestically abusive relationship with a man, she has her own wealth to rely on. She won't need to flee with nothing but the clothes on her back to a shelter which to her horror she finds is mixed sex and she's expected to talk about her experiences of sexual abuse in front of a member of the same sex who abused her.

She can't imagine any of these situations so she doesn't see them, and she rejects them. They don't apply to Watson or her privileged life among the global elites and therefore they don't matter.

What a sly, immature thing to do. I'd be embarrassed and ashamed if my dd had done that.

Well said @sourdoughismyreligion

I agree with every word you typed sourdoughismyreligion. Including your user name!

Loving the irony of everyone calling her an anti feminist, but also claiming she bought her way into the Ivy League, is a shit actor etc, picking on her accomplishments because you disagree with her views.

She did well at school, equivalent to a perfect GPA, which would get her in to Brown, or did she buy those grades too? She got her degree, which means she did the work (whilst working as an actor) Even if she did “buy her way in” (and Brown has less form for that than say, Harvard) she still got the degree by completing the course.

Those convinced by what she apparently mouthed, you should be aware of the auditory and visual illusions that lead a person to believe they are seeing something simply because others suggest that’s what has happened.

She doesn’t “owe her career” to Rowling any more than any woman owes their career to Weinstein. She auditioned for a part and was chosen. Those people saw something in her and if it hadn’t have been potter, it would have been something else. She is allowed to have her opinions on Rowling and act as she sees fit without her abilities and intellect being denigrated. Disagree with her and dislike her for that, but any true feminist would be able to express that without the irrelevant vitriol attacking her achievements.

@sourdoughismyreligion what a f*cking brilliant post!

We don't even know what she said or if it was directed at JKR and yet posters on here have lined up to call her a brat, a twat, thick, idiot, smug, sly, and a shit actress. It's been insinuated she bought her university degrees and that she was somehow in league with HW or slept her way to the top (many of these posts thankfully deleted).

All this on the basis of a vague mumbling which you don't even know relates to JKR. You've assumed and because it's EW who's been critical of JKR in the past, she's fair game.

Misogyny is alive and well and living quite happily on the MN feminism board, it seems. This thread is a total disgrace and bears no resemblance to the thoughtful, intelligent and reasoned board it once was.

@sourdoughismyreligion - fabulous post

@EeeICouldRipATissue

Pressed too soon As I said it's the laughable double standards I was talking about, nothing else

So you have no interest in whether Hollywood actors naïvely support organisations that undermine the fight to stop children being trafficked into sexual slavery?