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Twitter editorialising against J K Rowling again.

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IvyTwines · 07/03/2022 16:38

They're at it again. You'd think the last couple of weeks would have highlighted the value of being able to say your reporting was balanced and free from political bias, but there you go.

Twitter editorialising against J K Rowling again.
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ScreamingMeMe · 10/03/2022 10:24

*second.

WinterTrees · 10/03/2022 10:27

He has shown himself to be a persistent, committed and unapologetic abuser and manipulator of women. He's proud of it. And in giving him an international platform Twitter are endorsing his views and behaviour.

Hasselhoffsheadband · 10/03/2022 18:09

The Vaush thing is horrendous, and the way twitter have framed it as well.

The misogyny is just so clear to see, it's so fucking depressing.

ashainspace · 10/03/2022 19:52

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NecessaryScene · 10/03/2022 20:01

The Vaush thing is horrendous, and the way twitter have framed it as well.

Only really aware of him by reputation, but I did see this appalling bit from him last year on Selina Soule, Connecticut runner fighting against boys in her sport. Never seen misogyny articulated by someone not doing it under cover of anonymity.

Hasselhoffsheadband · 10/03/2022 20:08

Yes, as soon as I saw the name Vaush, I immediately thought of that video.

It's difficult to tell if he actually feels that way or if it's just for engagement, but either way - What. A. Prick.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/03/2022 20:13

Only really aware of him by reputation, but I did see this appalling bit from him last year on Selina Soule, Connecticut runner fighting against boys in her sport. Never seen misogyny articulated by someone not doing it under cover of anonymity.

Oh yes, I remember that.

NecessaryScene · 10/03/2022 20:19

"Never seen such misogyny articulated ", I meant. I edit too much, and lose words...

WinterTrees · 10/03/2022 22:15

ashainspace JKR responds to many people who tweet abuse at her. Just as she responds to many people who send her messages of support.

Why would Twitter choose to amplify and legitimise this particular account by putting it in their 'What's Happening' sidebar. Why would they phrase their 'what's happening' summary in such a way as to suggest his 'criticism' of her is legitimate and not just based on the rank misogyny of an abusive man?

IvyTwines · 12/03/2022 13:58

And today, Giles Coren is being slated on Twitter for his column on Ukraine, and this is how Twitter is covering it: what can the difference be, I wonder?

Twitter editorialising against J K Rowling again.
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MargaritaPie · 12/03/2022 15:36

The OP statement is correct, she has received criticism.

The latest Harry Potter movie actor to come out in support of trans-people is Miriam Margolyes:

www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/07/13/harry-potter-miriam-margolyes-jk-rowling-trans-gender-fascist-transphobia/

DomesticatedZombie · 12/03/2022 15:58

God forbid a woman might get away with saying something without male approval, eh?

I note that 'she has received criticism'. In the same way I note Gandhi, Obama, and the suffragettes 'received criticism'.

MargaritaPie · 12/03/2022 17:59

twitter.com/DavidPaisley/status/1502602229148176389/photo/1

David Paisley has left a comment for JK Rowling. He has also recently commented on the Marion Millar trial reiterating it was nothing to do with "ribbons".

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/03/2022 18:05

The latest Harry Potter movie actor to come out in support of trans-people is Miriam Margolyes:

If July 2020 is the "latest" then I guess so.

DomesticatedZombie · 12/03/2022 18:34

thick and fast, Eresh Grin

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 13/03/2022 09:43

OK, I've hunted out the David Paisley tweets. I thought at first he'd protected his tweets as I was unable to see them, but could see the responses, which were expressing horror and shock and sympathy for the appalling ordeal he'd had, so I thought he'd be revealing something very bad indeed. When I then checked incognito, I find that he's not protecting his tweets, I'm blocked. OK, fair enough. I don't think I've ever interacted with him directly, so he must be using a mass blocker to avoid any contact with anyone who has followed or liked somebody he disapproves of (long list, I'd imagine).

Well, colour me surprised to find that this is what he claims is the reason he went to the police about Marion Miller. The image is not all that clear but it shows a masked figure standing beside a banner affixed to a security fence, which he says is at the TV studio where he went to film the daytime soap opera in which he had an acting role. The banner says 'Respect Our Existence or Expect our Resistance'. Marion tweeted this image. At a later date JKR mentioned her as one of the women being prosecuted or otherwise suffering adverse consequences for their gender critical views who motivated her to get involved.

Paisley then tweets ^Now, does that look like a ribbon to anyone else?
No, it looks like a group of people who went to my workplace in the dead of night, face covered, left a threatening banner at the gates and took pictures of themselves with a raised fist saying "especially for you David Paisley".^

Is that banner threatening? I wouldn't read it that way. It's a statement that women aren't going to take the threat to their existing rights in law lying down. Raised fist = standard gesture of rage all over the world, but not (to me, anyway) equating to 'I'm going to beat you up'.

There are innumerable outright and extremely explicit threats of violence made to women on Twitter which have no ambiguity about them at all. Has he protested about those?

twitter.com/DavidPaisley/status/1502602229148176389?s=20&t=O9Tv5TP1iaeXyItSH2MDZQ

Twitter editorialising against J K Rowling again.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/03/2022 09:47

The banner says 'Respect Our Existence or Expect our Resistance'.

It's a slogan that TRAs use themselves, but more often accompanied with "fuck off terfs" placards. That's the difference.

BraveBananaBadge · 13/03/2022 09:50

Good Lord, he's a pillock.

MargaritaPie · 13/03/2022 12:26

What do you think the outcome would have been if it was the other way round? ie If DP had gone to MM's workplace and done similar? He'd probably be in jail this very moment.

VestofAbsurdity · 13/03/2022 12:35

@MargaritaPie

What do you think the outcome would have been if it was the other way round? ie If DP had gone to MM's workplace and done similar? He'd probably be in jail this very moment.
As if.

Or were you trying to be funny there, MargaritaPie? It's difficult to tell when someone makes such a ridiculous statement.

springtimeishereagain · 13/03/2022 13:20

One of my Twitter contacts has just said they are unfollowing everyone who follows JK Rowling because she's a massive terf and transphobe, citing her support of radical right-wing Caroline Farrow, campaign director at CitizenGO. What do we think?

EeeICouldRipATissue · 13/03/2022 13:24

Why is it ridiculous?
It's a reasonable question.
If it was flipped and he had gone to hers in the night with a raised fist poster and some slogan about trans rights - would people on here really be like yeah, nothing wrong there, we're fine with that?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/03/2022 13:35

What do you think the outcome would have been if it was the other way round? ie If DP had gone to MM's workplace and done similar? He'd probably be in jail this very moment.

I doubt he would if she was a public figure, like him. Look at what happened to Kathleen Stock in her workplace.

VestofAbsurdity · 13/03/2022 13:36

The Police tried to prosecute Marion Millar, they would never have prosecuted David Paisley in that scenario - you know it, I know it, the TRAs know it, everyone knows it. The Police haven't brought prosecutions against TRAs and their allies for their multitude of threats and harassment of GC women, none, nada, zero, so no it is not a reasonable question as the evidence of the favoured status of TRAs and their allies is writ large.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/03/2022 13:39

citing her support of radical right-wing Caroline Farrow, campaign director at CitizenGO

Her only support for her that I've seen, was responding to a tweet about the awful, threatening abuse she has received from TRAs and other mostly male activists. Which she has. You don't need to agree with her politics to sympathise with that. I don't agree with many of her views on various things such as abortion, but I don't agree anyone should face the abuse she has.

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