Email from teacher: Child has come out as non binary

[GoingtoGlasgow]

As per title.

Received email from form tutor (Yr 7 if it matters) saying DC has spoke to them in confidence saying they are non binary. They would like permission from me to tell the subject teachers to use the pronouns they/them.

How do I respond to this?

Before the email (1 day before) got A message with a gif from DC saying 'I'm non binary'. Followed by a text 'do you accept me?'

I replied of course. Bloody love DC why would I not

Just feel they have entered puberty and don't identify with their biological sex.

Have discussed with them that I feel non binary from a gender point of view... don't do anything stereotypically girl like long hair, dresses, make up, prosecco. But don't want to change my pronouns because I definitely feel like the sex I was born with: difficult pregnancies, heavy periods and being seen as 'a woman with kids' when going for promotion.

They think humans can change sex. 'They have surgery'. I said in 1000 years when they find the person's bones that had a fake penis implanted on them and their breasts removed, will they identify that person as make or female. They said they woman. But still humans can change sex according to them.

@Helleofabore
“So, YOU are posting that a same sex attracted person is a 'sexual deviant'. Is that what you really think? and you are projecting that on to others?”

I mean, that's how you treat trans people. You think the exact same forms of abuse that were aimed at gay people before, are perfectly okay when they're aimed at trans people instead.

I identify as Korean. Don't you dare say I'm not. That's exactly the same as hating gay people.

I know I'm Korean because I started to feel very strongly about it after spending a lot of time on Tumblr.

You... don't, though?

Literally everyone who has ever drawn breath is "non binary", because no one is "binary". Binary is a term better used for IT, not people.

People have varied personalities. A woman telling a man to fuck off is "non binary" because the traditional role of women is to facilitate men.

[quote Lekisa658]@Helleofabore
“So, YOU are posting that a same sex attracted person is a 'sexual deviant'. Is that what you really think? and you are projecting that on to others?”

I mean, that's how you treat trans people. You think the exact same forms of abuse that were aimed at gay people before, are perfectly okay when they're aimed at trans people instead.[/quote]
What gay people? The male and the female in a relationship that you think is now homosexual?

I love how you appropriate the historical discrimination of same-sex attracted people, for a concept where you deny its very existence.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

You... don't, though?

Literally everyone who has ever drawn breath is "non binary", because no one is "binary". Binary is a term better used for IT, not people.

You literally believe in upholding and enforcing the binary categories of "men" and "women"

I'm definitely non-binary. In every sense of the word, which apparently makes me trans, apart from the fact that I don't actually use those words.

Or is it all about the words Lekisa658?

@Ereshkigalangcleg

People have varied personalities. A woman telling a man to fuck off is "non binary" because the traditional role of women is to facilitate men.

This is nonsense. That's not what non-binary means at all. Non-binary is about not identifying with the categories of "man" and "woman" in the first place.

@Datun

I'm definitely non-binary. In every sense of the word, which apparently makes me trans, apart from the fact that I don't actually use those words.

Or is it all about the words Lekisa658?

If you continue to maintain that the categories of "man" and "woman" are strictly based on "biological sex", then no, you are not non-binary.

Being a bioesesstialist who believes "man" and "woman" are "sex-based" categories is being the binary's enforcer.

How many sexes do you think the human race has?

You... don't, though?

Really? Why?

That is a really transphobic post actually.

By the way, as I have asked before, are you a spokesperson for trans people? Because, we know and talk to quite a few trans people who completely disagree with you.

So, it is just as well that we don't make any negative generalisations about a community or a group, because we know that the political agenda you are pushing is held by extremist activists.

And if we listened to you, in any of your posts, we would think that trans people all hold your extreme and unevidenced views.

So... how far does this extend, this attitude that you're basically a fascist to believe that words have meanings and that reality exists? Is it only gender? Does transubstantiation get a pass, or is that just silly? Can I say that I'm a human-shaped giraffe, if I sincerely wish to live my best giraffe life? If other people have to accept my personal definitions of words, do I have to accept theirs? Or do we just fight it out, or run away from each other back to our bedrooms?

This is nonsense. That's not what non-binary means at all. Non-binary is about not identifying with the categories of "man" and "woman" in the first place.

What does that even mean? They're just the words describing biological sex. What do these people think they are rejecting, exactly? There must be something that means they don't like being called by the name for their biological sex? And some sort of rationale that makes sense to others?

[quote Lekisa658]@Helleofabore
“So, YOU are posting that a same sex attracted person is a 'sexual deviant'. Is that what you really think? and you are projecting that on to others?”

I mean, that's how you treat trans people. You think the exact same forms of abuse that were aimed at gay people before, are perfectly okay when they're aimed at trans people instead.[/quote]
You really are putting your deeply prejudiced views onto posters on this thread.

Your prejudice seems very tightly held. Are you sure you are not projecting your own hateful beliefs here?

I mean, seriously, you really seem to not have a balanced or evidenced view on the topics that you are posting on. You seem to only ever cast derogatory remarks on what YOU believe others are thinking. There is absolutely no engagement at all. None.

But, please do continue the live demonstration of the tactics deployed for years by extremist activists. It is great for those many, many people reading along.

I've heard non binary defined in many different ways, and often these definitions don't add up to the same thing.

If you believe "man" is a social category which is separate from your biological sex, why would it be a problem to have your biological sex acknowledged?

If you continue to maintain that the categories of "man" and "woman" are strictly based on "biological sex", then no, you are not non-binary.

And that's you denying someone's gender identity. At least try and be consistent.

You seem to have missed the memo that gender and sex are different.

Of course, it wouldn't surprise me, in the slightest, if you did think that people with uteruses can inseminate people with penises.

What exactly are males identifying with, when they identify with the category of "woman", Lekisa?

And yes, Lekisa. Please tell me why I am not non-binary.

In detail, please tell me why you think that you have any right to tell me that.

And is there a word for not identifying with the notion of identifying with a gender?

I am a woman, same as other women, by which I mean adult human females.

I do not identify with whatever it is that TW identify with. I won't be told that I do. Talk about putting people in boxes. I'm the free woman I was born as, I will do what I like, and I don't identify as a damn thing. I'm not having a bunch of kids put me in that box.

You literally believe in upholding and enforcing the binary categories of "men" and "women"

All I believe is that there is nothing other than one's sex, and that sex role stereotypes exist which primarily oppress women and girls, but aren't helpful for men and boys either. What else would there be, and where did it come from?

Oh..... here we have 'bioessentialist' being misused again.

Can we call bingo yet?

It ain't over until the clownfish sings.

Non-binary is about not identifying with the categories of "man" and "woman" in the first place.

What do you mean by the 'categories of "man" and "woman"'? Are you talking about stereotypes? If so, most people are non-binary.

Or do you mean man=adult human male, woman=adult human female? If so, everyone is binary.

Being a bioesesstialist who believes "man" and "woman" are "sex-based" categories is being the binary's enforcer.

Biological essentialism? Is that what you mean? That being the belief that one's sex dictates the persons personality, their roles in life, the 'femininity' etc?

That would be the gender ideologues who believe in that.

We believe that we have a sexed body, but that is about all we have in common with other people of the same sex. And women have strived very hard to break the dictates of society around our education, our employment, our leisure, our sexual orientation, effectively our life's choices that society used to try to dictate.

Otherwise, please explain what ' Being a bioesesstialist who believes "man" and "woman" are "sex-based" categories is being the binary's enforcer.' is supposed to mean.

What do you mean by the 'categories of "man" and "woman"'? Are you talking about stereotypes? If so, most people are non-binary.

Or do you mean man=adult human male, woman=adult human female? If so, everyone is binary.

Perfectly put!