Mhairi Black and 'gingers'

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I didn't realise Miriam Cates has a degree in genetics.

Anyway, here is Mhairi Black using a term I find pretty distasteful. 'Gingers'? Isn't this equivalent to 'Blondes'? Applied as a descriptor like this it winds me up.

As does her using of people with intersex disorders as a cheap, and irrelevant, point scoring exercise.

What a disappointment she has turned into.

Mhairi was also completely wrong, it's not 1-2%, but 0.018% - see twitter thread here from For Women Scotland :

twitter.com/ForwomenScot/status/1495812441506299907?t=ZH2quahOpbVVduOKXPFkQw&s=19

But no one will ever know, will they? I bet people will be quoting mhairi's 2% figure in news reports and debates up and down the country for weeks and she will never issue a correction.....

So proportionately she thinks there should be about the same number of "intersex" MPs as Lib Dem MPs?

Yet I'm not detecting any. Everyone seems clearly male or female.

Are they just mysteriously underrepresented?

Didnt even know Black was still an MP. She comes across as deeply unpleasant every time she opens her mouth

I saw this speech earlier and there is so much go unpack!

Firstly, she is completely wrong about the statistics about 'intersex people' who she claims 'present characteristics of both sexes'. This shows a deep ignorance about what DSDs actually are (she clearly thinks its 'being a hermaphrodite') and 1-2% of the population do not 'present characteristics of both sexes'. Such an offensive appropriation to score cheap points by comparing it to 'being ginger'.

Secondly, what the fuck is she on about at the beginning of her speech about 'self identifying'. She uses the example of self identifying ones nationality on a survey or questionnaire. Yes, sure you can do this, but that doesn't actually make you that nationality and has no legal standing. Your nationality depends on where you or your parents were born and what passport you have. You can't just have zero link to a certain country, have never lived there and then just fill in a form and declare that you are a national of that country. You can't falsify your birth certificate to say you were born in a country you weren't born in either.

It's nothing like a man filling in a single form and legally changing his sex.

She is full of utter shite from start to finish. It totally discredits her as a politician for me, not because I happen to disagree with her on this issue, but because of she is able to come out with such bullshit on this, what else is she doing it with?

She is full of utter shite from start to finish.
Nailed it.

I'm so frustrated that her absolutely nonsense wasn't corrected at the time.

Yes, my main emotion watching her speech was pure frustration at the crap she was coming out with, because people will take it as fact.

I'm deeply embarrassed that I was delighted a young lesbian had been elected. I didn't go beyond the label to realise what an idiotic rent a gob she is

Yup I actually flinched when she said that - quite unpleasant and untrue!

I had thought that she had gone

She is really horrid

Called women cunts for being gc.

Waste of space so she is.

This is not the first time of her speaking shite.

She has history on it.

Disappointing indeed. I came to really like Mharia Black when she was campaigning on behalf of WASPIs a few years ago. This gender debate really has brought out the worst in a lot of people and I’m upset to read that she’s called us cunts for believing in biological fact. At one point I considered MB an inspiration SMH

She even has a jumper with piss next to me on it

She did a video piece all about what terrible women gc were

Never gave a thought to girls and women in Scotland being affected to self Id

She was trending 9n Twitter this morning and getting mixed feedback. A lot of redheads were saying that ginger is derogatory, bullying term. And people pointing out that if you are 'a ginger' and you dye your hair you will still be 'a ginger'.
Most of what she said was absolute rubbish. It would be great if DSD families or similar organisations could publicly denounce her stats and theories.
The trouble is that the first lies are believed.

Posted this on another thread, but a) i thought everyone who'd "educated themselves", as she called for others to do several times in the debate, knew that stat was debunked, and to continue to use it is extremely offensive to the many clearly male/ female people she's swept up in this "intersex" figure,
and b) it was in the context of the MPs' Commons debate where the emphasis was on reasoned engagement and seeking to actually find a way forward:

My DH has just been on the receiving end of my utter fucking rage at Mhairi Black, who, after a long spiel by others about having a respectful and meaningful debate, decided to use her privilege at being able to contribute to today's debate with "is she telling me that she does not believe in ginger people?"

This proves beyond doubt to me that the whole thing is just a joke to her. That she thinks this is a good point to make in a Commons debate, that it will reach the aim of finding ground and making progress.

She later goes on to say " Well, I am a woman and I do not feel threatened".

I'm so angry at the gall of this.

MB seems happy to give consent for all women on the basis of the speech. Just because she’s happy to get naked next to a random bloke, why does it mean the rest of us do?

Isn't she the one that called women concerned about GRA impact "Jeremy Hunts"?

Ginger is a derogatory term. People who are genetically red-haired have no more control over this than anyone else has over any other genetic factor. In most contexts the term is offensive.

My understanding its that the term ‘intersex’ relates to people with disorders of sexual development. I’m no scientist but I understand that the existence of disorders of sexual development actually demonstrate the existence of sexual dimorphism in humans rather than disprove it.

Using the experience of people with disorders of sexual development to try to prove anything in relation to gender is offensive.

Mhairi Black is full of shit.

What a disappointment she has turned into

She is full of utter shite from start to finish

Waste of space so she is

Agree with all of you.
I used to like her! I can't even remember why now, but I do remember some kind of video interview with Owen Jones that was possibly the beginning of me not liking any more.

And I'm ginger.

and a conversation about people calling people ginger simply isn't complete without the wonderful Tim Minchin singing about prejudice

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Isn't she the one that called women concerned about GRA impact "Jeremy Hunts"?

Yes, here at 5 mins.

@Hasselhoffsheadband

Yes, my main emotion watching her speech was pure frustration at the crap she was coming out with, because people will take it as fact.

If social media is anything to go by, people are indeed singing her praises and cursing all "transphobes" who disagree. Misogyny is alive and well

The same statistic of percentage of intersex and red heads was quoted in my workplaces LGBTQ+ awareness training. Clearly parroting the Stonewall nonsense.

I pointed out that wasn't true and that DSD is the correct term to use in the chat section but I don't imagine they'll review to data as they're so Stonewalled they can barely function.

I hope she corrects her clear factual error in her % stats on people who are born intersex. Well done to Miriam Cates for speaking so well despite all the interruptions!

@Jackiebrambles

I hope she corrects her clear factual error in her % stats on people who are born intersex. Well done to Miriam Cates for speaking so well despite all the interruptions!

Of course she won't. She's a zealot.