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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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Calyx72 · 11/02/2022 20:56

Please sign into CSP and look at the new iCSP discussion "Stonewall and the CSP"

A great thread beginning and agreement that stonewall are problematic and women's rights are being overlapped by male rights

Then a HUGE ESSAY by a TRA

Sad
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Calyx72 · 28/07/2022 12:16

I love the cartoon, it's exactly right.

The problem is that TW are male
Males are the danger
It's problematic to point this out as the party line is TWAW
TRAs will never admit that TW and males are the same thing physically and biologically (some more than others)

I have made the same point on that thread as I have in my own, about CSP/health professionals needing to be above belief and politics discussions and just treat everyone with dignity and respect

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stealtheatingtunnocks · 28/07/2022 13:45

Where is the statement page? On iCSP?

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RadFizz · 28/07/2022 16:12

I believe the Louie who has commented is the "woman" in this previous article. I remember seeing "her" photo in the magazine. Lots of talk about pronouns and gender neutral toilets www.csp.org.uk/frontline/article/year-profession-progress

Calyx72 · 28/07/2022 16:36

Oh yes you're right. Well spotted.
Of course trans people "exist". It's the issues between trans rights and women's rights that are the cause of the discussion. Why feel the need to comment "trans people exist"?

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Greycatwhitepaws · 28/07/2022 22:18

Michael the feminist 🫣

stealtheatingtunnocks · 28/07/2022 23:47

“Trans people exist!”

yes. We are aware.

in other news, “the sun rises in the east!” “Sex selected abortion and infanticide of female infants is a thing!” And “men who describe themselves as feminists tend to be a bit of a nob”

this Nb student person - he chaired some meeting and AMcK thanked him for it? I remember being surprised that a student would be chairing anything. I mean. Students. Am be brilliant and inspiring and capable, but they can also lack experience and authority and need reassurance that they exist.

why do students who don’t have a special gender thing not get featured?

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 29/07/2022 00:11

Calyx72 · 28/07/2022 16:36

Oh yes you're right. Well spotted.
Of course trans people "exist". It's the issues between trans rights and women's rights that are the cause of the discussion. Why feel the need to comment "trans people exist"?

Because there is a lobby that bruits that their existence is denied. Sheer repetition has produced the somnolent belief that this must be true so people don't even think to validate that the claim is accurate.

The diversionary claim itself is sufficient demonstration of underdog status that it switches on emotion and turns off rationality.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 29/07/2022 10:55

I see someone has given a thumbs down on our thread, but not commented. And Millar has commented on the other “we exist!”
one - wirh a link to Lime Soda films which looks like an excellnt choice for retiring to “I’m a feminist” nob head.

did he actually say “but, what about the lesbians in your changing rooms” in a professional forum? Is that not homophobic? And then that he is offended that women might be worried about sexually assaults because he’s a nice bloke? What a total nob head,

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 29/07/2022 11:00

I should have included professional organisations in this as well.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4600178-nhs-nice-nihr-charities-patient-organisations-and-pronouns

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 29/07/2022 11:57

Thanks, @EmbarrassingHadrosaurus - I think that political signalling in this way goes against our professional guidelines, all bodies say that HCPs have to be neutral.

I have treated people from all walks of life, we all do routinely. I have been kind and compassionate towards people who have been rude and agressive to me, it is my training and the stuff that makes health care work.

Where do GC women go for healthcare now? We know that medical misogyny is an issue - surely none of us would refer a middle aged woman to someone who uses terms like "terf" or "karen" like fetish man ?

We are failing women. Excluding them.

I can't stand it and I'm not accepting it. I sat last night looking at how to have ea vote of no confidence in a union...

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 29/07/2022 11:59

@stealtheatingtunnocks - I've seen those films, Vaishnavi is a real talent. She's on twitter, is working on a stop motion one of trans widows.

Brave woman.

Courage calls...

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 29/07/2022 12:07

I can't stand it and I'm not accepting it. I sat last night looking at how to have ea vote of no confidence in a union...

I genuinely wonder if it's legal for professional bodies to take a public stance like this.

Calyx72 · 29/07/2022 12:49

I have written that it’s not the CSPs place to take a political stance, on the thread. Would be great to have some more comments agreeing/saying that. Not many have thumbs up’d it I think.

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stealtheatingtunnocks · 30/07/2022 09:09

Tried to find out about TRAs eunion rules and found this interesting article. morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/witch-hunting-women-within-trade-union-movement-only-helps-employers

stealtheatingtunnocks · 30/07/2022 09:09

Trade union, typo

Calyx72 · 30/07/2022 12:53

That's a good article @stealtheatingtunnocks

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RadFizz · 30/07/2022 16:57

Greycatwhitepaws · 28/07/2022 22:18

Michael the feminist 🫣

It looks like Mike may be willing to listen to alternative points of view. But he's very busy so will come back to it later.

I shan't hold my breath...

Greycatwhitepaws · 31/07/2022 23:53

The no debate / celebrating brigade are out spouting thought terminating cliches.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 01/08/2022 01:21

Fucking amateurs wasting everyone’s time with virtue signalling. “No one is making that point, so, what is yours?”

interstingly, RM, JH and DB don’t seem to have commenter. Unless anonymous.

Calyx72 · 01/08/2022 12:55

CSP Moderators have removed text that they feel is transphobic from comments on the Trans Allies statement thread! Censorship again.

I had copied to PDF the thread the other day and I have checked the removed words, sentences and paragraphs:

"The classic question of ‘what is a woman?’ is very relevant here – a woman is an adult human female, no more or less. A woman can dress and behave in a ‘masculine’ way and she will still always remain a woman (adult human female). A man can be feminine and ‘less manly’ and will still always remain a man (adult human male). A man can have surgery to look like he has the secondary sexual characteristics of a woman, but he still remains male in every cell of his body. It is not transphobic to say this, it is biological fact.

A woman/man is who you are, not how you feel.

By saying that a man can feel like he is a woman, and by feeling like a woman he is actually a woman, this makes the word woman (describing an adult human female) completely meaningless.

(a male)

How can it be transphobic for a woman who is attracted to women to say they are not attracted to males?!

are male, and therefore

in exactly the same way that all other males are.

It is not transphobic to say that because trans women are male they should not be in single sex female spaces.

We haven’t even got on to the issues of males in womens sports, males on all women shortlists, males receiving nominations for ‘woman of the year’, how gender ideology is harming children etc etc. The basic point comes down to the fact that humans cannot change sex, however they feel about their sex or whether they feel they have a ‘gender identity’. It is disrespectful to all women to suggest otherwise.

because I acknowledge the reality that they are male

But that tiny minority of people feeling unhappy in their body should not mean that women’s rights to single sex spaces, single sex sports etc are negated."

I am shocked but not surprised. I can't even comment at the moment I am too angry.

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RadFizz · 01/08/2022 15:34

Outrageous 🤬 Though perhaps not surprising since they said transphobia includes "the questioning of a transgender person's identity".

Maybe the usual suspects have complained behind the scenes rather than discuss it on the thread.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 01/08/2022 21:21

I am looking forward to Rob Yeldham explaining to our trans men members why “male” is transphobic…

MissyCooperismyShero · 01/08/2022 21:57

SLT here,and so sorry you guys are having to deal with this shite. Just wondered if you think CSP are aware that others are reading this stuff and tbh judging the profession based on this nonsense. It seems they feel that everyone agrees with the twaw premise. Can you link then to this thread, give them a heads up?

RadFizz · 02/08/2022 21:37

Jack has now commented on the GC thread so that's interesting.