UK Physios

[Calyx72]

Please sign into CSP and look at the new iCSP discussion "Stonewall and the CSP"

A great thread beginning and agreement that stonewall are problematic and women's rights are being overlapped by male rights

Then a HUGE ESSAY by a TRA

[Calyx72]

Only thing would be tweeting with hashtags CSP, iCSP, something for the GCs (SexMatters or similar), with the network and discussion names

But I am not doing that I would be tracked down via my Twitter

[RadFizz]

Wow, I can't believe Elaine commented! She clearly has no fucks left to give about being outed as GC. Good for her!

[stealtheatingtunnocks]

And so…Legal feminist points out law to physio clinic

[Calyx72]

@stealtheatingtunnocks

And so…Legal feminist points out law to physio clinic

I am glad women are finally starting to push back. Receptionist apparently said this was done because "a non binary person" used the clinic. I mean really? Change the toilets for one person? So they have a sex (but feel non-binary re gender) so surely can use the toilet for their sex.
Elaine (Gusset Grippers) my heroine has replied already as well. I

[RadFizz]

Ah the patient who tweeted that is in Australia so not much CSP can do. Not that I think they would anyway.

[stealtheatingtunnocks]

I see fetish man has removed his membership of CSP from his bio.

I wonder if JC has had an influence?

[EmbarrassingHadrosaurus]

Does the HCPC have any guidance that assists GC physios and other AHPs?

[vivariumvivariumsvivaria]

Wouldn't think so, @EmbarrassingHadrosaurus . They surveyed us and counted "gender" not "sex".

www.hcpc-uk.org/globalassets/resources/factsheets/hcpc-diversity-data-2021-factsheet--physiotherapists.pdf

[RadFizz]

@stealtheatingtunnocks

I see fetish man has removed his membership of CSP from his bio.

I wonder if JC has had an influence?

@stealtheatingtunnocks, fetish man is still listed as a member of the diversity committee so I doubt it. JC is yet to officially take up his council role - his influence may be limited at the moment.

[stealtheatingtunnocks]

Is having a fetish a protected characteristic?

Perhaps I am old fashioned, but I liked the days when I didn’t know anything about my colleague’s private lives and we all focussed on the patients and service rather than each other’s need to be “whole selves”.

[LakeFlyPie]

@stealtheatingtunnocks

Is having a fetish a protected characteristic?

Perhaps I am old fashioned, but I liked the days when I didn’t know anything about my colleague’s private lives and we all focussed on the patients and service rather than each other’s need to be “whole selves”.

This, exactly!

[RadFizz]

Hmm saw this on Twitter earlier but it doesn't really make any sense. Are they conflating sexism with sex-based rights?

https://www.csp.org.uk/news/2022-07-25-csp-urges-members-be-effective-allies-transgender-people-women

[vivariumvivariumsvivaria]

doesn't define sexism, though, does it?

Written from the assumption that we all know what gender is, that we all accept gender is a thing and that trans people are vulnerable.

[EmbarrassingHadrosaurus]

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

doesn't define sexism, though, does it?

Written from the assumption that we all know what gender is, that we all accept gender is a thing and that trans people are vulnerable.

Seems they're entirely happy not to define transphobia either, if I understand this correctly.

The statement does not define transphobia, but makes it clear that denying the gender of a transgender person is regarded as transphobic by the CSP.

If they think this is about 'denying gender,' the CSP isn't quite grasping this political, social, civic, and occupational issue at all, is it?

[Calyx72]

Agreed. Also they mention sexism/women but then only talk about gender/trans issues

[stealtheatingtunnocks]

Fucking hell. That is bad.

interesting shift from the cancellation message when they pulled the original thread on iCSP, though.

[vivariumvivariumsvivaria]

Transphobia includes the questioning of a transgender person's identity.

That's what got Dr Az Hakeem accused of conversion therapy - asking an ROGD kid whether there might be other stuff going on than gender. You know, exploring differential diagnoses and things which a decent psychiatrist or psychologist would be expected to do.

[Calyx72]

The trans person's 'identity' isn't the issue though.

It's women's sex based rights such as single sex facilities including wards, toilets and changing areas that are of issue with regard to physiotherapy.

A trans identifying male is still of the male sex; the gender identity shouldn't trump sex based rights.

I haven't heard of anyone "questioning a trans person's identity" but that's what they call it when one correctly sexes a trans person, therefore transphobia, then women's rights to dignity and safety are thrown under a bus.

[stealtheatingtunnocks]

Transphobia and sexism - not ableism, ageism, sectarianism, islamaphobia, anti semitism, maternity discrimination, homophobia or racism, then?

those others don’t exist in society, or physio, or they do but we aren’t bovvvered?

im embarrassed by this half assed bullshit, I really am.

[EmbarrassingHadrosaurus]

@stealtheatingtunnocks

Transphobia and sexism - not ableism, ageism, sectarianism, islamaphobia, anti semitism, maternity discrimination, homophobia or racism, then?

those others don’t exist in society, or physio, or they do but we aren’t bovvvered?

im embarrassed by this half assed bullshit, I really am.

I can't tell you how much people with a range of disabilities would welcome a clear statement of commitment to ensuring accessibility of physio sessions—from the built environment to appropriate training of the physiotherapists in how to work with someone who is deaf, has vision impairment, working with cognitive deficits after a stroke etc.

Too boring. And it would take actual effort and commitment.

[vivariumvivariumsvivaria]

@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus

I can't tell you how much people with a range of disabilities would welcome a clear statement of commitment to ensuring accessibility of physio sessions—from the built environment to appropriate training of the physiotherapists in how to work with someone who is deaf, has vision impairment, working with cognitive deficits after a stroke etc.

Too boring. And it would take actual effort and commitment.

yes, @EmbarrassingHadrosaurus and add to that literacy challenges, poverty, learning disabilities, cultural practices, ESOL, faith requirements, and access to services in the first place.

But, no, they go on and on about trans issues. Makes me think that the people on the exec are either trans or have family members who are. It is a long time since we had a focus on actual patients.

I'm really pissed off about the CONSTANT "we must do better" with the subtext of "we are terrible people" without any sensible analysis of the issues.

I'm a professional. I don't need a lanyard or a badge to demonstrate that.

[RadFizz]

Looks like fetish man isn't best pleased either but I doubt he'd be happy with anything but total capitulation to TWAW.

[RadFizz]

I see someone has commented on that page to say "right wing feminists" are denying the oppression of trans women much like they deny that of women of colour.

News to me that I'm right wing and now do I deny the oppression of WOC, what with being one myself...

[vivariumvivariumsvivaria]

Who is the "they" that Anonymous Series Of Numbers is wanging on about here?

"This statement completely misses the issues of intersectionality and the oppression of femininity. Transmisogyny is part of the same oppressive structure as misogyny and misogynoir. It should be a united struggle against paternalism, not broken into competing camps. Our warnings about how this is rooted in white supremacist systems and push to categorise for oppressive (and historic, colonial) reasons has been ignored. Violence against the feminine is the oppression and is disproportionately felt by transfemme people. We warned that there is a right wing branch of feminism aggressively denying the rights and existence of mainly trans women, and it is the same people denying that women of colour, particularly black women, face greater oppression than them. You only have to hear the experiences of people like Afua Hirsch, see the treatment of Chimene Suleyman, Monish Rajesh and Sunny Singh. It's the same people. They claim to protect women, but only the right sort of woman. In this stance, the CSP are not standing against transphobia or sexism. The statement is weak and splitting the issue is perpetuating misogyny, transmisogyny,
and femme-oppression. An own goal, sadly."

Anonymous is right, the statement completely misses the issues of intersectionality, but not in the way that the rest of the mumbo jumbo comment mumbles.

Disabled women, women of faith, lesbian and bi women, older women, impoverished women, immigrant women, those with learning disabilities and any of life's curve balls - those intersectional issues matter. Just not to my exec.

[vivariumvivariumsvivaria]

All those women Anonymous cites are WoC who have huge profiles, are published and respected for their comments on race. I wonder what Anonymous' point is?

Or whether Anonymous has watched Vaishnavi Sundar's "Dysphoric" www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRU9NIX0AA143z2QKukQcOqS96qriKGyw