"Lesbians a look at women in changing rooms too"

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This is the latest TRA response -
Some variation of "it's ok for men to share intimate spaces with women because lesbians and female predators exist too."

And shockingly I'm seeing women posting this usually then joined by the NotAllMenMan saying NotAllMen.

They’re recycling the old homophobic arguments. Society has moved on and I hope everyone realised how ridiculous they sound.

Bullshit.
I mean statistically there may be a very few predatory lesbians, just as there will be a few predatory heterosexual women, but we know that predators are nearly all male, even if they feel like women 🙄

No lesbian is going to get a woman pregnant.

And there are gay men in male facilities. Newsflash: not every gay person fancies every person of the same sex.

The homophobia of this movement is sickening and as usual there is no low to which they won't go to try and get inside women's changing rooms. No. No male bodies. No exceptions. Go build a third space and the women who choose will use them with you.

Women don't get raped by lesbians. Lesbians don't kill more than two women a week in their own homes.

Just a shite argument. It's not about looking it's about being abused and raped and killed.

No lesbian is going to rape a woman.

Bullshit.

They are projecting the behaviour of male predators on to lesbians, by assuming that lesbian women are men in women's bodies.

It doesn't work like that. Lesbians are women attracted to women. 99% of sexual offenders are male. As far as I can see, that female remainder is mostly composed of women who, far from being lesbians, are so male-centred they're willing to help their male partner abuse women to keep his attention!

Homophobia out in the open utterly shameful

I have no idea how many lesbians I've shared a changing room with or how many of them (if any) might have looked at me but I do know not one of them has ever behaved inappropriately towards me.

@IKeptYouLikeAnOath

Women don't get raped by lesbians. Lesbians don't kill more than two women a week in their own homes.

Just a shite argument. It's not about looking it's about being abused and raped and killed.

This tbh. I’d be mildly perturbed if I thought a woman was having a inappropriate gander at me in the ladies. Never happened? I’d be afraid if a man was doing the same thing.

It's toddler thinking that goes along with the toddler tantrums. Imagine arguing that men must be allowed to view women as we undress, wash and sleep and when women say no they explode a torrent of whataboutery, ahbuttery, it's not fair, wail, moan, whinge.

Imagine demanding the right to override a woman saying no. That's who we're arguing with. Weapons grade creeps.

As a lesbian I have never ogled a woman in a changing room in my life. Lesbians are women with the same body as other women, we are not mystified by them, nor do we feel entitled.

@FOJN

I have no idea how many lesbians I've shared a changing room with or how many of them (if any) might have looked at me but I do know not one of them has ever behaved inappropriately towards me.

I don't normally comment on threads like these because I don't really know enough about the arguments, but this is my experience too. Had plenty of men be inappropriate towards me though, in such a way that I don't want to share intimate space with them as I feel concerned for my safety.

It's not about looking it's about being abused and raped and killed.

Just considering this for a minute ... it is also about looking, though, because our privacy and dignity matter, too.

There are different kinds of 'looking'. There is straightforwardly looking at someone, there is looking at someone you may find attractive.

Then there is voyeurism.

This last one is the thing that is the issue. It's a form of non-consensual sexual activity where the non-consenting participant's very non-consent is at least part of the excitement. Voyeurism is a paraphilia; paraphilias are almost exclusively the preserve of males.

Women just don't tend to have paraphilias like men do.

It's a very male view isn't it? They DO ogle people in a state of undress so assume that women do the same. Newsflash - they don't!

www.sciencedirect.com/topics/biochemistry-genetics-and-molecular-biology/voyeurism

' ... it is mostly males who are identified as voyeurs. Abel, Becker, Cunningham-Rathner, Mittelman, and Rouleau (1988) found that voyeurs often display other sexually offensive behaviors, and Langevin, Paitich, and Russon (1985) found that every one of their sample of over 600 voyeurs had engaged in other sexual offenses, including rape. The actual frequency of voyeurism, however, is not well documented.'

@Artichokeleaves

And there are gay men in male facilities. Newsflash: not every gay person fancies every person of the same sex.

The homophobia of this movement is sickening and as usual there is no low to which they won't go to try and get inside women's changing rooms. No. No male bodies. No exceptions. Go build a third space and the women who choose will use them with you.

trans people do not need a third space, they would just become cruising spots. Also the number are tiny, spend the money on real needs - more family changing rooms, accessibility, modernising run down facilities.

This is just bullshit. It's men that get off on this, very rarely women. We don't want or need males in spaces where women are vulnerable. Not wanted. Will never be welcome.

www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/magnetic-partners/201207/the-voyeurs-wife

' The majority (90%) of voyeurs are men—many with above average IQs. Women voyeurs do exist but research has indicated that they tend to be severely mentally ill. The onset of voyeurism is usually before age 15 and the course is chronic.'

Despite what some TRAs try to get us to believe no lesbian has ever waved her semi-erect penis around in women's changing rooms. Only men pretending they are women do that.

@IWillBeSeeingYou

As a lesbian I have never ogled a woman in a changing room in my life. Lesbians are women with the same body as other women, we are not mystified by them, nor do we feel entitled.

Same. This open, vicious homophobia is so distressing.

It's a very male view isn't it?

It's pure projection. They claim to be pro LGBTQIA++ but they never hesitate to exploit other marginalised groups in the alphabet community if they think it will further their cause.

I have never once had a problem with a lesbian in a changing room.

I have however, had the unpleasant experience of a man poking his head under the partition between the changing rooms at my local swimming pool. He was masturbating quite noisily which is how he gave himself away.

Lesbians don't generally do this in my experience. Only people born male seem to get off on frightening women.

My lesbian 16 year DD doesn't perv over other girls or woman in the changing rooms in PE at school or when she goes swimming at my gym;she's there to change just like every other girl/woman in the changing room.

Likewise I'm not at all bothered by the openly lesbian couple and their lesbian friend who go to my gym,they are in the changing room for the same reason as I am.

In response I would say that lesbians aren't men though and it's men that I'm afraid of. It's not lesbians who harass me when I leave the house, go to work, walk down a street, use a train station. I've been attacked by men, raped by men, beaten by men but not once have I experienced any of those things at the hands of a lesbian.