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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Matt Walsh asks trans activist 'what is a woman'..

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sacredfeminina · 20/01/2022 23:30

Stumbled accross this on twitter. Matt Walsh, an American political commentator is on a chat show and confronts transactivist to define a woman and tells him that he is appropriating womanhood.

Then after being told that he has 'traumatised' the activists... He provides this response!!

Wow. He says sh*t straight.... Haha!

Talkshow:

Response:
twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1484268313815441418?s=20

OP posts:
CheeseMmmm · 22/01/2022 07:03

Good for him for being the driver behind fighting in the dads corner.

Clearly anyone who pushes against the grain to bring inconvenient truths to public attention is doing a great thing.

Not what the thread was about.
And vv odd to apparently be sure I would be aok with sex offences against children happening because of who spoke out!

You really believe I would be happy with children being raped? With no action? Because of who they were?

Like I said. That's a leap!

NotBadConsidering · 22/01/2022 07:05

So you’re not going to answer. Ever. Noted.

I've said that reading posts on the thread saying variations of yay he's great. Full stop. Were posts that were rather hasty. I was saying look before you leap.

But why? Who cares if we think he’s great or if, as is the reality, we think what he said was great if, according to you America doesn’t influence us here?

Especially given the ongoing effort to say all.. women (not men weirdly) who think sex matters, are in pocket of USA certain groups.

Why do you care? What is more important to you, saying and agreeing with the truth or the perception of your politics by weird people who monitor the threads? As I said earlier Cheese, agreeing with the bad man on one thing doesn’t make you a bad person. And so what if people claim falsely that we are in the pocket of certain US groups. You know it not to be true, so why do you feel you have to pander to those weirdos?

Your whole stream of consciousness in your posts make no sense. You joined this thread to tell off those who agreed with what Walsh said and you have gone off on weird tangents and avoided questions to defend that scolding.

Truth is truth, Cheese. It doesn’t matter who says it. Stop living in fear of those who monitor here. They don’t make you who you are or define your thought process.

CheeseMmmm · 22/01/2022 07:06

My posts are to do with the OP. IE the point of the thread.

And saying hold on. Unequivocal yay he's awesome. Was an unsettling thing to see. Esp as aware most likely posters no idea who he is what he believes etc. Due to being in UK.

Look before you leap. In other words.

The response to that point has been. Interesting let's say!

NotBadConsidering · 22/01/2022 07:07

And vv odd to apparently be sure I would be aok with sex offences against children happening because of who spoke out! You really believe I would be happy with children being raped? With no action? Because of who they were? Like I said. That's a leap!

Not a single person has said this. Utterly bizarre.

allmywhat · 22/01/2022 07:11

And saying hold on. Unequivocal yay he's awesome. Was an unsettling thing to see. Esp as aware most likely posters no idea who he is what he believes etc.

I didn’t see any of those unequivocal “yay he’s awesome” posts. And it was pointed out right at the beginning of the thread that he’s extremely right-wing, so people did know.

nolongersurprised · 22/01/2022 07:13

Feeding insistence that it's only religious types in UK who bizarrely are linked to USA who argue sex matters. Is not going to help argument, in fact quite the reverse

No, intelligent people have realised, or are beginning to realise, that people cannot change sex and the TRA ideology is harmful. These facts aren’t political and are agreed upon by people of both sides politically, although much less so on the left.

The left has left women on this, there’s no point in waiting for them to catch up.

Fundamentally, safe spaces for my daughters to go to the toilet in public, get changed after sport or swimming are more important to me than any political allegiance.

I don’t care about Karl Rittenhouse, Russia, Chris Christie, Robert Downey Jnr always playing himself in movies and all the other things you’ve brought up to deflect from Matt Walsh’s effectiveness.

I do care that my 13 year old daughter, who swims and as such is changing for swimming several times a day, multiple times a week doesn’t have to have boys doing the same next to her. I think she’d stop going.

I have never voted for a conservative government in my life, but if one side is promising to keep my daughters’ single sex spaces for women and girls I’ll vote for them. I don’t care if I’ve been “lefty” all my life.

I am grateful that Matt Walsh has used his large platform and been courageous enough to step out of his bubble to expose how women and girls are being harmed, that “that never happens” does happen.

It’s fine to wait for the saviour who’ll be the perfect political mix for you, with the right views across the board and a similarly large platform, but while you’re waiting, while the harm still goes under the radar, there’ll be more Loudoun counties.

CheeseMmmm · 22/01/2022 07:24

Weirdos. Weird people.

That's a crappy thing to say.

Given the way trans orgs, SM etc pushing hard idea that anyone who not on board 100% is consumed by hate. Wants govt to commit mass execution. Repeating crappy stats about risk to trans identifying people. Plus Twitter echo chamber. And all the sex > gender means want abortion banned, vv keen on strict gender roles etc.

Clearly anyone who is freaked out by this message is not a wrong un. Plenty have listened to all of it and understandably concluded massive threat.

Freaks? Not a word I use. And applying it to
anyone who may be reading.

No thanks.

(Got le freak, c'est chic in head now!).

NotBadConsidering · 22/01/2022 07:25

I completely agree nolongersurprised and to add to that, I would give zero fucks about whether people think I’m in the “pocket of the right” or whether people screenshot my posts and posted them on Twitter as an example of me being “in line” with the Christian fundamentalist right. I know my own mind and my own politics and my daughters matter more than whether expressing my view contributes to some batshit conspiracy theory/deliberate strategy from those who want to destroy women’s and girls’ rights.

NotBadConsidering · 22/01/2022 07:29

@CheeseMmmm

Weirdos. Weird people.

That's a crappy thing to say.

Given the way trans orgs, SM etc pushing hard idea that anyone who not on board 100% is consumed by hate. Wants govt to commit mass execution. Repeating crappy stats about risk to trans identifying people. Plus Twitter echo chamber. And all the sex > gender means want abortion banned, vv keen on strict gender roles etc.

Clearly anyone who is freaked out by this message is not a wrong un. Plenty have listened to all of it and understandably concluded massive threat.

Freaks? Not a word I use. And applying it to
anyone who may be reading.

No thanks.

(Got le freak, c'est chic in head now!).

People who scour Mumsnet for “evidence” of our supposed far right connections and post them on Twitter are weird. I equally don’t care if calling them that also plays into their victim narrative.

Freaks? Not a word I use. And applying it to
anyone who may be reading

You’re the first person to use that word.

CheeseMmmm · 22/01/2022 07:32

'As I said earlier Cheese, agreeing with the bad man on one thing doesn’t make you a bad person.'

He happens to agree with me, on the surface.

Not the other way around.

And random whoever people getting asked. Do they have political power? No?

People can believe what they like.

It's when those with power get behind it.. That's when it's a problem.

Ordinary people out and about. Their personal beliefs are nothing to get worked up about. Especially vvv niche beliefs. Like the beliefs of this Walsh chap to people here. Or that woman is a word that is meaningless.

CheeseMmmm · 22/01/2022 07:37

'People who scour Mumsnet for “evidence” of our supposed far right connections and post them on Twitter are weird. I equally don’t care if calling them that also plays into their victim narrative.'

You're paranoid.

One thread on one topic on one site mainly of interest to women in one corner of the world. On one corner of the internet.

Scouring? Lot of time and effort.

Usual approach is to start thread inviting posts can say Look! Or, post awful things having registered screenshot and present own words saying Look! Terrible bastards.

You must know this?

LondonWolf · 22/01/2022 07:38

@NotBadConsidering

CheeseMmmm

You have fallen into the exact same trap that the education board at the Loudoun County school where a male raped two girls. You’ve looked at who is speaking, and focused on their background, rather than listening to what they are saying. The concerns of parents, include the father of one of the victims, were dismissed because of the perception of what they were motivated by. As a result, no one listened, concerns were ignored and another girl was a victim.

It doesn’t matter what Matt Walsh has said in the past, or where his thoughts on other matters lie, on this he is correct. He went in front of a massive audience, calmly asked basic questions like “what is a woman?”, showed up the ideology for all it is and even got a professor to say, just moments after talking about the rape of a girl, that “it’s not a safety issue”:

mobile.twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/1483925582274564097?s=10

For what it’s worth I believe he cares about this issue, I don’t think being conservative on other issues means you can’t, and it’s ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

Absolutely this! It got said and that's the most important thing. Discounting anything that someone says because of other things they've said simply limits the debate and we see this over and over again from TRA, in fact I'd go so far as to say that it's one of the reasons they've gained so much ground. Matt Walsh has got a big following with The Daily Wire I believe and he's getting the message out there. He's also written a children's book questioning gender ideology at their level. We are going to have to accept that not everyone holds the sanitised views we want them to.
CheeseMmmm · 22/01/2022 07:43

Vv apologies.

Weirdos. Not freaks.

Not sure how that happened in my brain!

Totally weirdos is vv different kettle of fish.

Obv my posts stand. I don't use weirdos either.

A different lyric? I'm a freak. I'm a weirdo. ohohhhh. What the hell am I doing here? Etc.

Loved that tune. Dance floor rammed when came on. Happy days...

CheeseMmmm · 22/01/2022 07:49

'Discounting anything that someone says because of other things they've said simply limits the debate'

Again I remind you that TWAW and women = sex. Is a strong view held by stacks of people.

I would put money on Kim Jong un being 100% of that view.

And as mentioned. Putin, Poland top govt people. Isis, Taliban. Definitely on board with knowing what a woman is.

Zero difference. Not listening to them 'limits debate'.

Yes? No?

Or is it something to do with only USA and this chap matters. Very handy.

rabbitwoman · 22/01/2022 07:51

Do you or do you not think it’s a good thing that Matt Walsh brought the horrible events in Loudoun County to wider prominence on a TV show with a huge audience?

So let me get this straight, Cheesemmmm, you say we should be cautious about agreeing with this chap on this subject because he has views on other things we would not align with?

Did you ever see Jess Bradley on Sky News reassuring everyone that women were perfectly safe sharing facilities with trans women? Why didn't anyone say, Hmmmm, jess Bradley exposes her penis in public places and then posts the pictures on Exhibitionist websites, perhaps I shouldn't align with her views on this.

Didn't Aimee Challenor sit on the Stonewall trans advisory panel and help write guidelines for inclusion of transgender children, including letting trans girls join girl guides, share sleeping arrangements with other girls and use the bathrooms and changing facilities of their choice? If you haven't heard why we should not be following her advice on safeguarding, I am sure someone will provide you a link.

There are a lot of questions about the credentials of the individuals and organisations who have advised on 'inclusion' recently, but it seems breaking the law and criminal behaviour does not raise the same red flags as being a right wing, Christian pro-life supporter.....

NotBadConsidering · 22/01/2022 07:53

You're paranoid. One thread on one topic on one site mainly of interest to women in one corner of the world. On one corner of the internet. Scouring? Lot of time and effort.

You’re being insulting now. It was YOU who were concerned about this. YOU said:

Yes it's a trap. And look! On Twitter which was either point of thread or monitors.

YOU said that agreeing with Walsh falls into the trap these Monitors want.

So is it a trap or not? I don’t care one jot about these weirdos (yes, weirdos in my view) who do this, but you were concerned enough to use it as an example of the “trap” we’ve all fallen into!

Honestly Cheese, you’re all over the place.

nolongersurprised · 22/01/2022 07:53

And as mentioned. Putin, Poland top govt people. Isis, Taliban. Definitely on board with knowing what a woman is

Do you know their views on the Loudoun County exposure as well?

NotBadConsidering · 22/01/2022 07:54

For reference, Cheese wrote that on page 6.

CheeseMmmm · 22/01/2022 07:55

Eh?

I have surely answered the internationally reported (well here for sure and that's international obv) USA school toilets rape question?

I asked a few myself eg. What's this chap had to say about girls being sexually harassed, assaulted, raped in schools generally?

No response a shame tbh..V big recent topic here.

NotBadConsidering · 22/01/2022 07:57

The question is not about school rape, it’s about Walsh bringing it to greater prominence, but you know that by now and you’re choosing to ignore it.

CheeseMmmm · 22/01/2022 08:01

I have zero idea what JB or AC have to do with this thread at all.

Sounds like implication that anyone who is hold on who is USA guy look before leap.

Would be onside with -

One fucker who liked wanking at bus stops and in open plan office

And someone who. Bottom line. Did all sorts of things that said. What's the big problem with relative who committing utterly grotesque sexual abuse.

I'm sure that can't be what you meant to suggest.

CheeseMmmm · 22/01/2022 08:02

@NotBadConsidering

The question is not about school rape, it’s about Walsh bringing it to greater prominence, but you know that by now and you’re choosing to ignore it.
How is it not about school rape?

Given the multiple posts about school rape?!

CheeseMmmm · 22/01/2022 08:03

@nolongersurprised

And as mentioned. Putin, Poland top govt people. Isis, Taliban. Definitely on board with knowing what a woman is

Do you know their views on the Loudoun County exposure as well?

Jesus Christ.

The USA is not the centre of the world!

Way to try and evade the point.

MiladyBerserko · 22/01/2022 08:04

This thread is weird.

CheeseMmmm · 22/01/2022 08:06

Only a total pillock would not be aware of the sudden influx of posts saying yay look this person nails it!

Usually person UK posters won't have a clue context. And often insisting that others put in writing how fab what a great individual.