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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Matt Walsh asks trans activist 'what is a woman'..

615 replies

sacredfeminina · 20/01/2022 23:30

Stumbled accross this on twitter. Matt Walsh, an American political commentator is on a chat show and confronts transactivist to define a woman and tells him that he is appropriating womanhood.

Then after being told that he has 'traumatised' the activists... He provides this response!!

Wow. He says sh*t straight.... Haha!

Talkshow:

Response:
twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1484268313815441418?s=20

OP posts:
CheeseMmmm · 22/01/2022 05:19

@NotBadConsidering

And to answer your question as to why it’s relevant to the UK, the answer is of course it bloody is. All of this ideology has transgressed from other countries, particularly the USA. Children in the UK are given puberty blockers because they came under pressure from parents who were taking their children to the USA. Political parties all over the world look at the social trends and policies in other countries because of the influence they have on voting in their own countries.
Are you sure ALL from USA?

Got anything to show that?

Because TW were in women's prison here from at least early 80s.

Public lied to about early 2000s single sex wards. Documented.

Plenty things stating by those involved. That been years of work behind scenes by v small group activists. To quietly get things changed that trans people wanted.

Yes SM awash with USA people applying USA history, social views, politics, religion etc to UK without any thought apparently. That it's totally irrelevant here.

But USA behind scenes pushing this for at least 40 years?

You'll need to evidence that it's a bold claim.

NotBadConsidering · 22/01/2022 05:23

You'll need to evidence that it's a bold claim

After you’ve answered my question, which I have now asked repeatedly:

Do you or do you not think it’s a good thing that Matt Walsh brought the horrible events in Loudoun County to wider prominence on a TV show with a huge audience?

CheeseMmmm · 22/01/2022 05:24

I've had a look at when as far as I can see MW got into the Loudoun thing.

Read what he said at first council (whatever called) meeting went to.

Didn't mention anything at all about the girl attacked.

Personally the treatment of the dad, and the unmitigated shitshow about safeguarding revealed in court is the most important thing.

When did he bring to attention? V early on was it? Because my googling seemed to point not, but obv can't be sure.

I'm being asked if I object to anyone (this guy) saying rape is bad?

Well that's a bit of a leap!

CheeseMmmm · 22/01/2022 05:28

Oh and,

Has he spoken out about sexual assaults on girls in school by boys in general?

Because that's linked obv.

The behaviour of the school, the body that oversees them etc. Police. All that.

Huge structural problem must be addressed. Anyone got the latest on that?

NotBadConsidering · 22/01/2022 05:28

The link has been posted for you on the previous page and several times in the thread:

mobile.twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/1483925582274564097?s=10

He brings the Loudoun County rapes to a wider audience who might otherwise not have known about it. Do you think this is a good thing or a bad thing? It’s a simple question.

allmywhat · 22/01/2022 05:29

I'm being asked if I object to anyone (this guy) saying rape is bad?

I’ve mostly lurked on this thread but I’m pretty sure you were not asked that.

You were asked this:

Do you or do you not think it’s a good thing that Matt Walsh brought the horrible events in Loudoun County to wider prominence on a TV show with a huge audience?

Idk why you Googled when he first got into the Loudoun thing, doesn’t seem relevant to the question which is a yes or no question that doesn’t

allmywhat · 22/01/2022 05:30

…Require research!

Lol I wasn’t even intending to post that, no one needs my intervention, I just got frustrated reading it and started typing.

CheeseMmmm · 22/01/2022 05:31

Evidence claim now please that USA involved in England/Wales maybe wider. In pushing gender > sex since at least early 80s.

Also that the small group who have merrily said worked behind closed doors, got their ideas and etc from USA.

NotBadConsidering · 22/01/2022 05:33

@CheeseMmmm

Evidence claim now please that USA involved in England/Wales maybe wider. In pushing gender > sex since at least early 80s.

Also that the small group who have merrily said worked behind closed doors, got their ideas and etc from USA.

I will answer your question even though you haven’t answered mine yet. I claimed no such thing. I pointed out the reasonable point of view that trends and social events in the USA, including gender ideology, has an influence on what happens in the UK. I gave examples.

Do you or do you not think it’s a good thing that Matt Walsh brought the horrible events in Loudoun County to wider prominence on a TV show with a huge audience?

allmywhat · 22/01/2022 05:34

But you didn’t answer the yes or no question!

Ok, going back to lurking. This thread is a bit hypnotic.

Igmum · 22/01/2022 05:59

Thanks for posting OP. If it helps the later discussion here, I don't know who this guy is, and it sounds like I'd disagree with him on other issues, but I'm really pleased to see a bit of good sense here. The more discussion we have on these issues the more we expose TRA arguments as what they are.

CheeseMmmm · 22/01/2022 05:59

@NotBadConsidering

So you looked up Matt Walsh on Wikipedia but you can’t extend the same to Dr Phil? You don’t know who he is? Have you lived under a rock for the last 20 years?

Either way it was bland, zero new. Seen much more 'lively' discussion on this here

Are discussions here viewed by 6 million people across America?

Mind boggling.

We are not in America!

Why this insistence on random UK women from thousands of miles away, being super interested in some bloke who hardly anyone will have heard of here, in a show that they've never heard of before?

You understand that vast vast majority people here would see this bloke as a total right wing loon? Who is of zero interest and has zero relevance to their lives?

Yet when I explain. With examples! That over here there's plenty of powerful people on big audience stuff talking bollocks on sex/gender. And that going to be way more interesting over here.

I get told that's irrelevant. Nothing to do with anything. Because not seen by 6 million USA people?

NotBadConsidering · 22/01/2022 06:07

Mind boggling.

Only to you it seems.

We are not in America!

Dr Phil is on UK TV also, and if you don’t think US politics and culture influences the UK, firstly, that’s obviously bonkers, and secondly, you should be able to answer my question without fear of the American right wing politics and culture having any bearing on you. Why are you in fear of the US right if you don’t think the US has any influence on the UK at all?

being super interested in some bloke

Again, we are not interested in “some bloke” we are interested in what he said on a hugely influential TV show.

Your links may be relevant, but to another thread, not this one. This one is about someone making these issues known in this instance. If you want to talk about UK people talking bollocks about sex and gender, start a thread on that, but it doesn’t negate this thread.

Do you or do you not think it’s a good thing that Matt Walsh brought the horrible events in Loudoun County to wider prominence on a TV show with a huge audience?

CheeseMmmm · 22/01/2022 06:12

@NotBadConsidering

The link has been posted for you on the previous page and several times in the thread:

mobile.twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/1483925582274564097?s=10

He brings the Loudoun County rapes to a wider audience who might otherwise not have known about it. Do you think this is a good thing or a bad thing? It’s a simple question.

Clicked tweet link. It's from a few days ago!

Bit late to the game isn't he??!!

We had loads of press on it over here for crying out loud!

Girl was attacked middle of last YEAR!

Well done him? For being at forefront of raising awareness?!

It was in mainstream USA news channels!

This is the only point got left to say ha UK woman so far left can't see arse from elbow doesn't want anyone with political views not hers saying rape is bad?

Come off it.

This bloke saying rape is bad waaay after it was in public eye including at least one other country. Is what is in the end the only thing that matters?

Don't be silly.

PS are you aware here massive news free months back about sexual harrassment, assault, rape massive issue schools and being routinely covered up?
Prob irrelevant....

Weird thread for sure.

And amazed others up posting during the hours we've been chatting. Night owls the lot of us!

nolongersurprised · 22/01/2022 06:17

Bit late to the game isn't he??!!

If you can be bothered to trawl back through his Twitter feed (I can’t be) he was on it from the onset, and one of the first to link to the Daily Wire article. He controversially rented a house in Virginia so he could then have access to the school board meetings prior to last year’s elections for governor so he could discuss this issue on the ground, as it were. The election was, incidentally, won by Youngkin, the Republican

NotBadConsidering · 22/01/2022 06:19

Clicked tweet link. It's from a few days ago!

I know you’ve been here for along time, under a previous name. If I didn’t know that I would think you were trolling because you can’t be that obtuse on purpose. The Twitter link is from the same TV show that the entire thread that was started a few days ago is about.

Are you serious?!

Girl was attacked middle of last YEAR!

Exactly! And it hasn’t been widely reported in the left wing and mainstream media and he brought it to attention of everyone just a few days ago!

For the umpteenth time, is this a good thing or a bad thing?

It was in mainstream USA news channels!

Mainstream news channels reported the father being arrested. Only right wing news channels reported the facts.

The whole point is that he brought this to the attention of the audience of Dr Phil, talked about it in the mainstream.

Do you, or do you not, think this is a good thing?

nolongersurprised · 22/01/2022 06:19

twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/1447726957135863808?s=21

Here, from October last year. He was one of the very first to talk about it

NotBadConsidering · 22/01/2022 06:25

We had loads of press on it over here for crying out loud!

Cheese ask yourself why we have had threads on Loudoun here in this forum and why we here all know about what has happened. It’s because of people like Matt Walsh. If you can’t see this, I can’t help you.

CheeseMmmm · 22/01/2022 06:25

'without fear of the American right wing politics and culture having any bearing on you. Why are you in fear of the US right if you don’t think the US has any influence on the UK at all?'

I don't fear USA right. Nothing to do with me. Like loads in UK we look at USA and think ????.

  • guns
  • execution
  • gross structural racism
  • prisons shitshow racism and run for profit
  • appalling open racism, police brutality etc
  • our right far further left than USA left. USA right just crikey. Socialism dirty word.
  • trump. Stampede on your parliament.
  • disaster of a healthcare system.
  • really puritanical about eg swearing. While simultaneously churning out loads of media all about extreme violence, lots of rape, and tired plots steeped in male fantasy
  • mass shootings

I mean that's my list, but in general some/many of those and other things. Are just bizarre to us. So no I'm not in 'fear' of USA right stuff coming here. In the foreseeable future and hopefully never. And why would it? We're a completely different culture history values religion everything.

I mean NI abortion recently legalised. That says something surely.

NotBadConsidering · 22/01/2022 06:32

I mean that's my list, but in general some/many of those and other things. Are just bizarre to us. So no I'm not in 'fear' of USA right stuff coming here. In the foreseeable future and hopefully never. And why would it? We're a completely different culture history values religion everything.

So why should it matter that people here are in agreement with the words of someone from the American right? Throughout the thread you’ve said we shouldn’t even listen to this guy’s words because of the politics he represents. Why? If you think it doesn’t have an influence why can’t we agree or disagree with him without all your doomsaying about what that might mean?

Do you or do you not think it’s a good thing that Matt Walsh brought the horrible events in Loudoun County to wider prominence on a TV show with a huge audience?

You could at least do me the courtesy of indicating whether you ever intend to answer this, then I can stop asking.

CheeseMmmm · 22/01/2022 06:34

Also. More questions.

  • Why do so many a list actors just play themselves? Robert Downey junior being good example.
  • What's the fixation with men killing all and sundry and that makes him v cool?
  • Why political structure with supreme court (vv massive importance to everyone) not neutral but partisan?
  • why so many unable to comprehend USA history etc not applicable in other countries?
  • why are your presidents apart from couple notable exceptions vvv old? And white men. And men from same family get in sometimes when zillions of people to choose from?
  • Epstein obv bumped off, I mean where big investigation?
  • why so attached to consuming iirc way more fuel pp than any other country?
  • I could go on.
NotBadConsidering · 22/01/2022 06:49

I could go on.

Or you could answer the question. I’ll try again.

Matt Walsh investigated the Loudoun County rape story. While other news organisations reported the father of one of the victims being arrested he, along with other right wing news organisations found out the truth, that it was a result of dismissal of concerns about “gender neutral” bathrooms and this led to the rape of a second girl. Mainstream news organisations ignored this development and as such it hasn’t reached wider attention. It reached the attention of everyone here, including you, directly as a result of the reporting of Matt Walsh. He then used an opportunity while on a hugely popular mainstream TV show (despite you having never heard of it apparently, but it is) to discuss this directly and raise the story as an example of the negative implications of gender ideology. While doing so, a professor dismissed this saying she didn’t think there was a safety concern.

Now, for the last time, because I just want to be clear you’re avoiding it on purpose, Do you or do you not think it’s a good thing that Matt Walsh brought the horrible events in Loudoun County to wider prominence on a TV show with a huge audience?

CheeseMmmm · 22/01/2022 06:55

'Throughout the thread you’ve said we shouldn’t even listen to this guy’s words because of the politics he represents.'

No I haven't.

I've said that reading posts on the thread saying variations of yay he's great. Full stop. Were posts that were rather hasty. I was saying look before you leap.

Especially given the ongoing effort to say all.. women (not men weirdly) who think sex matters, are in pocket of USA certain groups.

In general while people say things that might on the face of it be what you think. Feeding insistence that it's only religious types in UK who bizarrely are linked to USA who argue sex matters. Is not going to help argument, in fact quite the reverse.

As mentioned earlier but apparently OTT.

Those with similar extremist religious views. Including trans statements saying no. Can be found two a penny. All over world.

Poland Russia for example. They know what a woman is. They have definite views.

Views broadly shared by plenty of men in charge globally. The abramamic religion based ones anyway.

nolongersurprised · 22/01/2022 06:56

While doing so, a professor dismissed this saying she didn’t think there was a safety concern

And that apparently there were other bathrooms girls who didn’t want boys there, could’ve gone to, apparently

nolongersurprised · 22/01/2022 06:57

Sorry, double apparently