Matt Walsh asks trans activist 'what is a woman'..

[sacredfeminina]

Stumbled accross this on twitter. Matt Walsh, an American political commentator is on a chat show and confronts transactivist to define a woman and tells him that he is appropriating womanhood.

Then after being told that he has 'traumatised' the activists... He provides this response!!

Wow. He says sh*t straight.... Haha!

Talkshow:

Response:
twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1484268313815441418?s=20

@ItsCoachBombay
Check out this thread….. It provides a good start/summary of the madness that is this topic.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

@NotBadConsidering

I think any ideology that promotes destroying the endocrine systems and fertility of children is evil

Agreed.

And any ideology that puts rapists in prison with women is evil.

And any ideology that prevents parents from raising concerns at school meetings leading to another girl being raped is evil.

And any ideology that says “it will never happen!” and ignores all the examples of it happening is evil.

I don't know about this chap views on anything other than wiki and what said on thread.

Of course it's a trap. Loads of threads like this. Hoorah look who said this! No idea about this poster. However. Big push for ages asserting any sex> gender people are right wing USA type fundamental Christians.

Who are using trans children and age access PBs surgery etc as a means to get abortion banned/restricted.

Who want deeply conservative sex roles enforced.

And all the other views that come with those beliefs.

He said this ok whatever. I doubt his audience are fans of anyone who doesn't fit their ideas anyway.

It's foolhardy to express super positive support for this man in general. Respect to him? I saw when clicked. Really?

JRM I'm sure would also be v much decided on what woman is and say male being female ridiculous.

But he's still a complete and utter bastard.

Yes it's a trap. And look! On Twitter which was either point of thread or monitors.

Would it be hoorah what a guy if it were top Isis chap, warboys, that guy who shot a USA doc going to work in abortion provider, the bloke in charge of Belarus, Pol pot or Satan? (Yes last two silly but come on!).

What “trap”?! What utter rubbish. Who cares if a TRA Monitor posted a screen shot and got a few likes from their brainwashed followers? Who cares if this guy’s platform is advanced? I’m not some naive little Twitter follower incapable of my own thoughts. I know who he is and I know what he stands for on other matters and I still agree with him on the nonsense about “what is a woman?” and the fact he drew nationwide attention to the horrors that happened in Loudoun County.

You, on the other hand, have fallen into the trap of purity spirals, only condoning the views of those you see pure enough.

Oh yes forgot point! I don't know this chap views but generally the hard right religious USA is variously keen on things like-

• Abortion ban. Massive harm to women and girls. This bloke anti abortion. Sure you all aware of religion and abortion USA fundamental Christian.

• Related to that, the v surprisingly large number RC hosps in USA. The top RC chap USA makes rules they to follow.
  Have been problems women having miscarriages mismanaged due to anti abortion edict. They are biggest provider of non profit healthcare there.

• Child marriage yep why not. Good news new jersey did ban after he blocked it as per below.
  Wiki USA child marriage-
  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage_in_the_United_States

'A high profile Republican governor has declined to sign into law, a measure that would have made his state the first to ban child marriage without exception.

Chris Christie, the governor of New Jersey and someone who has been a staunch supporter of Donald Trump, said such a ban would conflict with religious customs. He did not specify what religions he was referring to.'

Yes the hard right religious USA is keen on those things. So what?

Is Matt Walsh right on the nonsense about the definition of woman or not?

Is Matt Walsh right to bring attention to the rape of two girls in Loudoun County or not?

And regarding this paragraph:

Would it be hoorah what a guy if it were top Isis chap, warboys, that guy who shot a USA doc going to work in abortion provider, the bloke in charge of Belarus, Pol pot or Satan? (Yes last two silly but come on!).

It’s hyperbolic purity spiral nonsense. Walsh is a right wing political commentator, he’s not a dictator. But for what it’s worth if we are going down that road, if Gandhi was alive and said “transwomen are women!” I would still call him a misogynistic prick.

I know who he is and I know what he stands for on other matters and I still agree with him on the nonsense about “what is a woman?” and the fact he drew nationwide attention to the horrors that happened in Loudoun County.

I agree.

Cheese it’s really important to make up your own mind about things, not just agree with people depending on whose “team” they are on. This is partly how left wing women sleep walked into this mess in the first place, many started as instinctive allies.

It’s not a trap, Clicking on a Twitter link wont suddenly mean my mind is infiltrated with conservative propaganda and I become brain washed and start supporting child marriage and become anti-Abortion

Few posts mention protected characteristics.

They are not USA law.

USA is vv different here. All really in common is language. Arguably.

Example.

USA in general.

T not one group.
Laws etc group LGBT+ etc.

When talk about homophobia etc. USA people.

Many states v little protection LGB.

Can't be compared to here.

Pushback against things for T in practice means the whole set that T is with. IE LGB.

That's v different to here where LGB and T are separated.

Context is vv important.

The constant pressing of USA specific things here is really unhelpful. And the cross dialogue.

It's vv common for- (using England as where know about, obv we same laws Wales. Scotland NI large differences laws).

• UK person talking T in England context, nothing to do with LGB people in this country across population. Laws here vv different and are not depending on which area of the country.

-USA talking it's all in one. Pushback one is pushback all. Plus of course vv massive political landscape, influence of religious views, active constant high level attempts to move States to have laws reflecting beliefs of what most see here as vvv extreme religious fundamentalists.

Threads like this interesting for me, not often in position of being told essentially useless on feminist issues!

Anyway.

'44NotBadConsidering
Yes the hard right religious USA is keen on those thingshmm. So what?'

So what? SO WHAT?

How many women and girls are harmed, physically damaged each year due to religious beliefs?

Go on look it up. Abortion laws in States, RC hosps etc.

Child marriage. Look it up. Look at the legacy of harm. Look at the numbers of girls forced to marry rapists in their religious community. When girl is impregnated through child sexual abuse. Because means no prosecution.

Look at toll on LGB people. USA in areas is where conversion therapy is a big problem. So much harm. Who mainly does it? Oh yes that would be fundamental Christian groups.

So what eh. Who cares.

I care. What an awful post.

It’s not a trap, that’s playing the game on TRA terms. TRAs won’t disown rapists and child abusers as long as they say the right catechisms, but they expect GC people to purity-police each other and everyone who agrees with us, and they crow about it when we don’t. That’s a trap.

We are on the side of the truth, but we don’t own the truth. Lots of people who aren’t feminists are on the side of the truth, because it is the truth. Walsh is not my ideological fellow traveller in any respect, not even in his opposition to TRA bullshit, because opposition to TRA bullshit isn’t an ideology, any more than “not being a CrossFit fan” is an ideology. Walsh has nothing in common with me whatsoever, but he told the truth well in that video, why not acknowledge it?

Cheese in the US it’s the Democrats who support destroying the endocrine systems and fertility of physically healthy children.

It doesn’t mean that most of my political beliefs don’t align that way, or that I would never agree with a Democrat about anything, ever.

Cheesemum you have misinterpreted my “so what”. I do care about those issues, my “so what” means so what if they do, agreeing with Walsh does not mean that I do. It’s irrelevant. You seem to think that because the vague notion of the “Christian right in the US” believes those things it should bear relevance to whether Walsh is right or has done a good thing. So I’ll ask you again:

Is Matt Walsh right on the nonsense about the definition of woman or not?

Is Matt Walsh right to bring attention to the rape of two girls in Loudoun County or not?

We are on the side of the truth, but we don’t own the truth

This is a really good point. Even in the US opinions have become very partisan, at least on social media platforms.

Somehow simple truths have become political and many women are now grappling with becoming politically homeless - look at the thread on voting Labour in AIBU.

It should be ok to state what you think is a truth without checking that the people “on your side” also believe it. It’s a common TRA tactic used to sow doubt.

As an aside, if I was a parent in Loudoun and the school board and principal had lied about a girl being raped in a gender neutral bathroom I’d vote for whoever would prevent that sort of shit ever happening again.

And it might just be that Matt Walsh is politically savvy and realises that girls being raped in gender neutral bathrooms and then this being covered up and lied about is a potentially huge vote sawyer for suburban swing voters.

Even so, a wider audience knows about it and can make voting choices accordingly. I don’t think sunlight is political

'It’s hyperbolic purity spiral nonsense. Walsh is a right wing political commentator, he’s not a dictator. But for what it’s worth if we are going down that road, if Gandhi was alive and said “transwomen are women!” I would still call him a misogynistic prick.'

Ghandi was really dodgy when it came to young attractive women, and some v not good 'experiments' around sex.

Just FYI!

Quick look at titles blurb of his his output gives v clear picture of his views/beliefs.

He is a far right Christian extremist, at least as far as views of vast majority UK go.

Sunlight? Wider audience?

Realistically, who are his audience? People who agree with him in the first place, and also enjoy getting nice and worked up about it all.

Preaching to converted, in short.

Preaching to converted, in short

That’s the whole point though. He went on Dr Phil, which isn’t conservative, ddint have the support of the audience and exposed the idiocy of the trans ideology.

He went out of his own conservative bubble.

Given the silence from the left wing media about the events in Loudoun County, it’s highly likely that there will have been viewers of Dr Phil who hadn’t even heard about it. If his discussion on it brought sunlight to those people that’s good.

The question always seems to be “why are right wing commentators always the ones bringing it to prominence? What’s in it for them?” Followed by a purity spiral around why we should or shouldn’t agree with them.

Why is the question never “why are left wing commentators ignoring this and failing to bring this - as an example, the rape of two girls - to prominence? What’s in it for them?”

If enough left wing commentators could be bothered then we wouldn’t be reliant on the likes of Walsh.

And maybe the likes of Walsh will be useful for us. Maybe his actions and the loss of votes from left wing parties will make those left wing parties realise that the belief in science and women’s rights isn’t in fact a “right wing” idea and they’re failing their traditional supporters.

I will not blindly follow the political line on this because to do so would mean abandoning truth.

And CheeseMmmm you haven’t answered:

Is Matt Walsh right on the nonsense about the definition of woman or not?

Is Matt Walsh right to bring attention to the rape of two girls in Loudoun County or not?

My approach is. Obv people can say believe what they like. Within law etc.

If someone is fundamentally committed to a load of things you know result in appalling harm, damage, cruelty to people. And is happening now, every day, around the world.

Then well. Religious fundamentalist not keen on trans people shocker.

No comment surely. Same as if JRM or Farage etc said women female etc.

It's the yay yay what a guy stuff that I'm referring to with my comments.

Unless those posts do feel that way in general obv.

Unless those posts do feel that way in general obv

Not at all, but exposes the consequences of a harmful ideology to a wider audience. I have daughters, I don’t want them having to change for sport, swimming next to boys. If they were raped and the school covered it up and continued to promote letting boys into their spaces I would be livid.

I do think he’s got a good beard though

'And maybe the likes of Walsh will be useful for us. Maybe his actions and the loss of votes from left wing parties will make those left wing parties realise that the belief in science and women’s rights isn’t in fact a “right wing” idea hmm and they’re failing their traditional supporters.'

Don't be silly!

And it's bad enough with our right, for die hard lefties. How utterly unpalatable they are. Compared to USA right, our right are bleeding heart v hard left!

How many will suffer if govt gets in USA with views like his?

How many women and girls? Plus all the other types of people they have it in for.

Be careful what you wish for.

Keeping women’s and girls’ toilets, sports and changing spaces free of males is a vote winner for the left as well, they are either too stupid to realise or lack the courage.

Be careful what you wish for.

But there you go again. I’m not wishing for anything. I’m not wishing all of Matt Walsh’s ideas get the same traction, I’m not wishing his ideology on other matters become law, I’m not wishing his “type” of people get anything all I am wishing is that people listen to what he said on this single issue.

It’s not silly, it’s hope that the Left react to what’s right under their noses.

And I’ll ask you again:

Is Matt Walsh right on the nonsense about the definition of woman or not?

Is Matt Walsh right to bring attention to the rape of two girls in Loudoun County or not?

'Is Matt Walsh right on the nonsense about the definition of woman or not?'

What is his actual real life, personal view of what women are. Of course female. He believes as per obvious. Man + woman + marriage = that's that.

What his thoughts on women other than that. What place in society, how should behave etc. Not quite so fun.

So his views prevail.

Good news?

'It’s not silly, it’s hope that the Left react to what’s right under their noses.'

This blokes output is not going to be anywhere near their line of vision! Let alone under their noses.

This is a male 'rights' movement.

Men arguing about what women are is same old shit.

It's women who have skin in the game. And the fact is 99.999 % of world population know exactly what women and girls are.

That's what needs to be mobilised.

Politics right left whatever. By men for men.

Left right on this is men fighting about who gets to tell women what they are.

Be careful what you wish for

So, Cheese to get this straight, you DON’T think it’s good that happened in Loudoun County is being given a wider audience?

And the reason you don’t approve is because it’s being disseminated by the wrong person?

Better therefore if he hadn’t gone on Dr Phil in the first place?