Matt Walsh asks trans activist 'what is a woman'..

[sacredfeminina]

Stumbled accross this on twitter. Matt Walsh, an American political commentator is on a chat show and confronts transactivist to define a woman and tells him that he is appropriating womanhood.

Then after being told that he has 'traumatised' the activists... He provides this response!!

Wow. He says sh*t straight.... Haha!

Talkshow:

Response:
twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1484268313815441418?s=20

We're talking about regimes which legitimate and enable women's rape and torture and promote the permanent physical scarring of the most vulnerable children. Let's not do totalitarian bingo because it's notnl going to look good for you.

I really don’t get it, barley seems to be arguing that women have a form of Sophie’s Choice over who is worse for women and women’s rights, so given the choice of the two sides, better to go with barley’s side.

How about neither?

The way the powerful/ influential/ enormously respected/ well known to be sensible, caring, devote time to charity. Activist for groups that get a crappier deal because of who they are...

No one off limits for attack. Often lies told widely. All out to trash anyone who puts something in way of getting what wanted. Basic strategy boils down to Destroy Them.

And fucking politicians scared to say what is, has always been and always will be obvious fundamental fact?

Gibbering to find any way out of questions? Because there's no good answer because it's utter drivel?

How do much FEAR and everywhere? So much that telling women they are walking wombs who have to bunk up with rapists in prison, is a thing they SUPPORT?

terrifying.

A new thread has been started, saying a woman was questioned by police tonight over stickers saying "3+ women killed by men each week. Domestic violence kills!"

I think that dystopia that Barley was trying to describe is already here.

I would like to see the question asked...Will everything cycle around, to recreate lost female spaces?

In sports we'll have male(XY) and unisex(either), but then we need female (XX) categorisation. This will need to be added as females cannot compete with men, it will be an ongoing issue until clearer boundaries are redefined.

I think that dystopia that Barley was trying to describe is already here

My younger kids play a childish version of this game barley is too, usually silly things like:

Would you rather eat poo once and get ice cream every day OR lick the cat’s bum every time you wanted chocolate?

It’s quite possible to have a society that doesn’t make women choose between poo and cats’ bums.

That dystopia - having various fundamental religious groups in charge IS here.

Not in this country. But in various forms around the world, with vast numbers of people living with it.

'I think it's more that authoritarian movements in general, whether the Christian religious right, fascists, Stalinists and radical Islamists are all deeply hostile to trans rights.'

BARLEY

Even now, when coming to think about what if/when the USA right really get going on this. What it could well mean for various USA places if, having tried various wedge issues through the years (mainly abortion), this issue turns out to be the one that works brilliantly.

If that happens. Then it's entirely due to trans activist demands, and what is already in place. Due to forgetting that women/girls are half population and don't fancy being at even MORE risk from men. And they have the vote. And their own brains. And they do in fact know when they're being shat on.

What will trans activists on USA do now?

Won't change strategy.
Won't swivel to charm offensive.
No way will try to engage with women.
They always blame others. Always.
They also never actually seem to do anything except talk. No hint of orgs actually helping anyone on the ground.
They demand others do things for them.

In fact.
Won't take any responsibility.
Always points finger others.
Lies with impunity.
Particular loathing for middle aged women who say no.
Expects everything handed to on plate.
Prone to flying off handle and verbal abuse when don't get what want.
Everyone hates them and everything is unfair.
....

Teenage boy. Surely. Mummy is being mean.

It’s a good point about how comments that posters here “are all right-wing fundamentalist Christians” is only made because most posters aren’t.

It’s hard to come to terms with how badly the left-wing parties have let women down though.

And I’m not sure how long lefty women should wait for the left to start protecting women’s spaces, toilets, refuges, sports and changing rooms. All I can see is that “progressive” left-wing types are the ones taking them away

'I think it's more that authoritarian movements in general, whether the Christian religious right, fascists, Stalinists and radical Islamists are all deeply hostile to trans rights.'

I find that comment mind blowing in the level of self interest displayed.

Was it on purpose, or just no thought, or just don't care, this group matters, fuck the rest...

Fundamental religious groups, well the two I'm most familiar with which are the two you mentioned.

Both abrahamic, note. Have same shit lists. Which have been in place for a very very very long time.

One being of course being homosexuality unacceptable.

And how in practice, the actual primary focus is on men who engage in sex act/s with men. (Male sex I mean in this case).

Isn't the T with LGB? Why decide not to mention what means for other parts of your group?
Especially given that plenty of trans people are same sex attracted.

Why did you decide not to mention that?
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Plus of course, nightmare for women and girls (female).

Plenty trans people are female sex. What about them?

I don't understand why not mention the interactions between different aspects of oppression.

I thought intersectionality was vv important reason for trans people being highest priority to be helped?

@nolongersurprised

And I’m not sure how long lefty women should wait for the left to start protecting women’s spaces, toilets, refuges, sports and changing rooms. All I can see is that “progressive” left-wing types are the ones taking them away

And that’s why it’s important to focus on this as a single issue. Protect women’s rights. Because if you try and tie it in with other things then all sides of politics are going to let women down.

Walsh is right on this particular issue, this is the issue that matters.

NoLonger who said that?

FFS.

As mentioned earlier. It's been the go to characterisation of women who know sex matters for a really long time now.

And of course we'll imo most will swallow that characterisation happily, for the reasons I put a bit earlier.

In USA I have no idea what they will do because obviously the interest of the right is growing.

Which is down to them entirely.

It’s been difficult for me to come to terms with how the only people who are pushing back against the TRA ideology are the conservative groups. The underlying misogyny of the left - when my expectations were that they’d support women and girls - saddens me

The left in UK for sure won't do anything.

They have always been at least to me, about the men. Bob crowe speech really brought it home, years ago now.
He was naturally referencing the workers a lot and it was very clear, to me anyway, that in his minds eye the workers were all male.

And the amount of lefty blokes I've had over the last, what. 30 + years.

Corner me in pub. Start conversation about whatever. Policies, current stuff going on, Blair centre not one of ours etc.

Then when I tried to answer. Ignore me. And launch into essentially a lecture on how wonderful Labour are. Any interjection was not welcome and he'd carry on.
My job clearly was to sit there looking impressed. Nodding. Maybe agreeing sometimes.

Labour men IME, well the ones you know are labour because they don't shut up about it.

Yeah imo way way worse than Tory men.

Mainly because those lefty blokes are certain they are simply wonderful human beings, while being sexist as all fuck.

Yeah no they're a lost cause.

NoLonger yes.

For Tories. I mean my political/social opinions are kind of inbuilt. Same with feminism. It's just what I am, at a very deep level. Iyswim.

When I say left I don't mean labour or whatever.

I mean the base values of the political ideology iyswim. Different eg left in USA Vs here. Totally not the same kettle of fish.

Anyway so given that.

The Tories imo are better on women (within Tory political framework obv!).

Generalisations-

• IME conservative women can be/ often are extremely formidable. The socialised deference (subtle) to men is either different or they've rejected it or something.

• Two female PMs

• IMO their female more well known MPs eg cabinet position some point etc.
  Tend to be more... Dunno word. Sort of. You WILL listen type thing. More direct. Not sure.

I put it down to.
Conservative values (not any particular govt but the base ideology).
Look after self, make own way, get on with it, be determined. Don't ask for help. If want to succeed and work then will.
More or less.
Low tax small state etc.

Imo those who are ideological conservative care way more about that than isms. You got the right stuff? You're one of us.

While left terrible blind spot that they totally believe amazing.
Literally cannot be prejudiced in any way.
Cannot be wrong.
And so eg with this.
Shat all over women blatently.
And no way could have been not fantastic thing to do, full stop.

No longer reading post again.

If UK.

No political party is doing anything.
Left all fuck you women.
Conservatives. Not interested. Stopped the gra thing. End.
Didn't want a hooha.
Not a thing they give a shit about. (Rights, equalities, women? No interest. Money, keeping masses at bay by banning protest. Immigration. Tax. That their sort of thing.).

They in power for yonks and still.
Males in women's prisons.
NHS mixed sex still in place I'm sure.
And so on.

Political systems created by men for men.
Still run by men for men.

Looking to political parties to help is waste of time.

Women/girls are ALL in this on our own.
Not a party political issue.
A women's issue that crosses all divides.

@nolongersurprised

It’s been difficult for me to come to terms with how the only people who are pushing back against the TRA ideology are the conservative groups. The underlying misogyny of the left - when my expectations were that they’d support women and girls - saddens me

I agree. The underlying misogyny of the Left has been quite evident on this thread too, both from the typical TRAs, and those who wish to put identity politics above truth.

One thing I respect about the Right is that they don’t hide anything and have insight. There’s an honesty in their goals at least.

What is a woman? Even I don't know. Has anyone seen a hood explanation? Please link. I've never seen a thread about trans issue before where the trans interviewed does give a good explanation. Mind you, as women we should be able to come up with a good explanation ourselves shouldn't we?

Have insight?

Into what?

By the way I'm the one who has been chastised as closed minded, childish, purity spiralling, um. Etc etc. Putting IDPOL before whatever. And all that stuff.

Just in case didn't realise!

And TRA lefties? Come off it. There are many different drivers for engaging in gender > sex activism.

Obviously they're not politically left. Ideology wise. They are chancers, opportunists. Who latch onto and steamroller any movement / group/ etc that they are able to/ see an advantage in.

Left here have supported men who were... Not on the level shall we say. Before. Seems when it comes to misunderstood men poor dears they seem to forget how to think.
The whole must be right thing comes into play here.

Anyway.

The overwhelming messaging from the activists, that gets copycatted and spread.
Are-

• Very very racist
• Show in neon lights don't even see women/ girls as people
• Zero fucks about helping anyone having a bad time in real life in their own group. IE trans people struggling
• As per previous poster zero thought about LGB people
• Using medical condition as they see fit even thought been told not to repeatedly
• Using children to own ends
• Actively encouraging fear, MH issues, as far as self harm suicide
• Vv USA centric and make no sense here
• And etc etc.

Left wing political parties, MEN. misogyny.
And like I mentioned earlier.
Men who often IME extremely sexist safe in knowledge they can't be because always brilliant.

Male created systems created for men by men.

As you say. Right wing people. When they are being arseholes. They know they're being arseholes and are ok with that.

No political party here gives a flying fuck about women/ girls.

And in USA too from what I can see as outsider.

In the end this is not party political. It's about women/ girls. All of them. Left/ right/ whatever.

Hello oblomov

Men seeing women as mysterious, ineffable, like men but lacking...

What is a woman? Ancient Greeks, poets through the ages, men in pubs, etc etc.

Have pondered this question.

Currently some solid answers from memory and put in own words CBA to look up again-

• Formless
• The ones that are sexually submissive and grow babies
• The ones that get catcalled
• something about... Something, an expectant arsehole and blank, blank eyes
• The ones who are the essence of Barbie if Barbie was real
• I mean so many

Oh and tits are extremely important always.

We are whatever any individual man wants us to be.
No more, no less.
Same as ever.

@Oblomov22

What is a woman? Even I don't know. Has anyone seen a hood explanation? Please link. I've never seen a thread about trans issue before where the trans interviewed does give a good explanation. Mind you, as women we should be able to come up with a good explanation ourselves shouldn't we?

Not sure if you’re being sincere or not. It’s a straightforward definition.

Oblomov 99.9999999% of the world's population know what woman girl boy girl mother are.

Have for our entire existence however many millennia.

I have no doubt that when humans developed speech. First words would have been along lines of in no particular order.

Food, danger, shelter, woman, man, baby, boy, girl, mother, water, etc etc.

And when it comes to mother baby. That's something all mammals know. Fed on milk, baby without mum vv bad thing.

All over the world the word for mum is similar. Because first sound babies usually makes is mumumum etc. If that's a construct, it's babies that constructed it!

Everyone knows what these words mean. No need for definition in depth. Because. Bleeding obvious. Man woman? Fundamental.

Go into any country. Pub, bar, workplace etc.
Ask what is a woman. Everyone knows. Because it's part of the most basic things there is for humans and mammals in general.

@Enough4me

I would like to see the question asked...Will everything cycle around, to recreate lost female spaces?

In sports we'll have male(XY) and unisex(either), but then we need female (XX) categorisation. This will need to be added as females cannot compete with men, it will be an ongoing issue until clearer boundaries are redefined.

It’s an interesting question but will come under pressure from the propaganda around athletes like Caster Semenya and Mboma. The language around them is always about “female athletes with naturally high testosterone levels”. If women’s sport was ring fenced to XX (which it should be IMO) then those athletes and their PR teams would kick up a fuss claiming they are being unfairly excluded. It could backfire of course, because it would need to be made clear that those athletes don’t meet that criteria but I think someone will always find a way to make women budge over.