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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Matt Walsh asks trans activist 'what is a woman'..

615 replies

sacredfeminina · 20/01/2022 23:30

Stumbled accross this on twitter. Matt Walsh, an American political commentator is on a chat show and confronts transactivist to define a woman and tells him that he is appropriating womanhood.

Then after being told that he has 'traumatised' the activists... He provides this response!!

Wow. He says sh*t straight.... Haha!

Talkshow:

Response:
twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1484268313815441418?s=20

OP posts:
Sophoclesthefox · 23/01/2022 22:24

Amazing how women manage to be tools of the far right AND the far left at the same time! We simultaneously agitate for all sorts of awful things, while being controlled by shadowy forces we don’t understand.

And if suddenly women can’t have abortions as the far right gain ascendency then guess what? It was all our fault anyway!

Risible scaremongering nonsense. Really not worth the headroom.

barleybadminton · 23/01/2022 22:25

@LondonWolf

Indeed and about the only people on the radical left who support the gender critical movement are the Stalinists and Leninists of the Communist Party. Funny that.

Absolute bullshit.

@Goatsaregreat I know really. I'll try to chill Grin

No it's not, The Morning Star, the mouthpiece of the Marxist Leninist movement in the UK has published several pieces from gender critical activists.
Goatsaregreat · 23/01/2022 22:26

Gin Grin

I know you know LondonWolf But it's often useful to vent when faced with weapons grade idiocy Grin

barleybadminton · 23/01/2022 22:27

@Sophoclesthefox

Amazing how women manage to be tools of the far right AND the far left at the same time! We simultaneously agitate for all sorts of awful things, while being controlled by shadowy forces we don’t understand.

And if suddenly women can’t have abortions as the far right gain ascendency then guess what? It was all our fault anyway!

Risible scaremongering nonsense. Really not worth the headroom.

I think it's more that authoritarian movements in general, whether the Christian religious right, fascists, Stalinists and radical Islamists are all deeply hostile to trans rights.
Goatsaregreat · 23/01/2022 22:27

No it's not, The Morning Star, the mouthpiece of the Marxist Leninist movement in the UK has published several pieces from gender critical activists

Faints Grin

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 23/01/2022 22:28

Indeed and about the only people on the radical left who support the gender critical movement are the Stalinists and Leninists of the Communist Party. Funny that.

We are happy to do without members of the SWP who hurl racist abuse at black people who happen to be in the vicinity of a feminist conference. Ta very much.

womansplaceuk.org/2021/10/30/open-letter-swp-abusive-protest/

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 23/01/2022 22:31

It's a deliberate tactic London. Make the most outrageous claims, appropriating and misusing such serious issues and attempting to smear women with them. I recall another poster who used to post lengthy diatribes against women - word salad full of long words, regular and allegations about how appalling and right wing we are, individually responsible for holding up every right wing despot in the world

It's all just politically incoherent nonsense from desperate people

Nailed it 🐐

VestofAbsurdity · 23/01/2022 22:32

I think it's more that authoritarian movements in general, whether the Christian religious right, fascists, Stalinists and radical Islamists are all deeply hostile to trans rights.

Oh please, TRAs and the Gender Ideology movement is Grade A authoritarian.

MrBlobbyLivesNextDoor · 23/01/2022 22:35

Thank goodness the gender critical movement has remained so tiny and seems to be slowly petering out because there are some monstrous attitudes within it and thankfully more and more people are waking up to that.

It ain't petering out honey. It's getting bigger. And you will lose.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 23/01/2022 22:35

Barley, do you ever think, "why the fuck do people on my side keep making us look like women-hating arseholes?"

VestofAbsurdity · 23/01/2022 22:44

We are talking about far right regimes where being cancelled doesn't mean you lose your consultancy post or decide to resigm from your university because students were being mean to you or even facing a quiet chat from the police to check your thinking. It means being disappeared, possibly along with your family and thrown in jail without trial if you're lucky or a mass grave if not. It doesn't mean isolated and indeed unpleasant examples like Wi spa but the systemic torture and rape of women who dissent. It means women and their children forced into refugee camps, gays and lesbians executed and jailed, immigrants deported or massacred. You've got to have some sense of entitlement to think this is in anyway comparable to trans women being included in women's spaces or maternity wards using language that annoys you.

You are on board with the Police checking people's thinking @barleybadminton, righto, that's stage 1 of authoritarian movements.

You think WiSpa was an unpleasant example? How low can you go?

You think students were merely being mean to Kathleen Stock?

You don't believe in freedom of speech or thought and you claim you are not authoritarian, right ho.

Goatsaregreat · 23/01/2022 22:45

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

Barley, do you ever think, "why the fuck do people on my side keep making us look like women-hating arseholes?"
There's a simple answer to that Purgatory - but it would get me a deletion.
PurgatoryOfPotholes · 23/01/2022 22:46

If anyone is interested, this is the Socialist Workers' Party's response to a detailed account of the misogynistic and racist behaviour of some members.

Trans people are facing a barrage of attacks.

The Socialist Workers Party (SWP) stands with the oppressed and unequivocally says, “Trans women are women,” and, “Trans men are men.” Trans people have the right to organise against their oppression and the right to protest against it. We stood in solidarity with the trans students and workers at the University of Sussex who were rightly outraged by Kathleen Stock’s views.

The SWP did not organise or encourage the protest outside the Woman’s Place UK meeting in London on Wednesday 27 October. Our materials, such as Socialist Worker and placards, were not on the protest and those centrally involved in the protest are not SWP members.

However, we understand that two people in a video of the protest are SWP members, who took part as individuals. One of those individuals uses unacceptable sexist language and behaviour towards a woman involved in the WPUK meeting. The party will investigate this in accordance with our procedures.

The attacks on trans rights are pushed by the Tories and the wider right—and go hand in hand with attacks on women’s rights.Our focus is fighting the right wing—and for a socialist society that uproots all oppression.

Barley, did you write this? Grin

EeeICouldRipATissue · 23/01/2022 22:51

You are on board with the Police checking people's thinking @barleybadminton**
This is so obtuse though.
It's not just a thought anymore if someone was to publish their thoughts or try to actively discriminate against people, whether they be trans, gay or black etc, is it?
It goes beyond that.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 23/01/2022 22:54

@EeeICouldRipATissue

You are on board with the Police checking people's thinking @barleybadminton** This is so obtuse though. It's not just a thought anymore if someone was to publish their thoughts or try to actively discriminate against people, whether they be trans, gay or black etc, is it? It goes beyond that.
Publishing thoughts, eh?

Goodness, the very idea of... free... speech...

MrBlobbyLivesNextDoor · 23/01/2022 22:54

@EeeICouldRipATissue

You are on board with the Police checking people's thinking @barleybadminton** This is so obtuse though. It's not just a thought anymore if someone was to publish their thoughts or try to actively discriminate against people, whether they be trans, gay or black etc, is it? It goes beyond that.
They're not so interested when it comes to threats of violence, rape, hatred and discrimination towards women though.

Why the double standards?

EeeICouldRipATissue · 23/01/2022 22:55

Barley, did you write this?
The fact that others seem to be saying it too...... instead of going straight to laughing, maybe think there might just be a grain of truth in it?

TurquoiseBaubles · 23/01/2022 22:56

Well the transactivists are certainly taking over the abortion rights campaign in Ireland Angry.

This www.abortionrightscampaign.ie/2021/11/20/transphobia-has-no-place-in-paper-of-record-says-abortion-rights-campaign/ for example. The Irish Times, by the way, had the temerity to suggest that it might be sensible for children to be offered counselling before surgery Hmm. The entire abortion movement in Ireland has been completely hijacked to such an extent that the mention of mothers and women are being left out of legislation.

This wonderful article www.vox.com/identities/2019/9/5/20840101/terfs-radical-feminists-gender-critical is representative of the issue and includes the following:

"Anti-trans alliances with conservative groups are by no means new for gender-critical feminists. During the Irish referendum on abortion rights in 2018, some British gender-critical feminists withheld support for campaigners who supported abortion rights, citing the trans supportive attitudes of Irish feminism, going so far as to schedule an anti-trans meeting in Dublin at the height of the campaign season. Irish feminists responded with a scathing open letter denouncing the event and reaffirming their support for the womanhood of trans women."

Womanhood of transwomen, ffs.

aliasundercover · 23/01/2022 22:56

Do trans activists believe in racial hierarchies?

Jessica Yanev certainly does. Of course you're a supporter of Jessica's right to abuse poor immigrants because they don't want to wax her balls, so I guess you believe in racial hierarchies as well.

VestofAbsurdity · 23/01/2022 22:57

@EeeICouldRipATissue

You are on board with the Police checking people's thinking @barleybadminton** This is so obtuse though. It's not just a thought anymore if someone was to publish their thoughts or try to actively discriminate against people, whether they be trans, gay or black etc, is it? It goes beyond that.
It's not obtuse in the slightest, checking people's thinking is the tool used by the most oppressive regimes throughout history.

You again mix up two entirely different things to try and make your straw man argument - publishing thoughts and actively discriminating. There's a difference, you know it and don't assume we are too stupid not to know it either.

Helleofabore · 23/01/2022 22:58

@barleybadminton

So, on one hand… democratic destruction by males who want to force us to be trad wives and keep us as slaves.

On the other hand …. destruction of free speech through coerced decisions affecting our democracy, ie, compelled democratic = destruction and some males who want to be trad wives and we are kept as women without any free voice and restrictions on what we do = slaves.

I think posts like this are more worrying than the support for Walsh and really reveal the privilege behind the gender critical movement. We are talking about far right regimes where being cancelled doesn't mean you lose your consultancy post or decide to resigm from your university because students were being mean to you or even facing a quiet chat from the police to check your thinking. It means being disappeared, possibly along with your family and thrown in jail without trial if you're lucky or a mass grave if not. It doesn't mean isolated and indeed unpleasant examples like Wi spa but the systemic torture and rape of women who dissent. It means women and their children forced into refugee camps, gays and lesbians executed and jailed, immigrants deported or massacred. You've got to have some sense of entitlement to think this is in anyway comparable to trans women being included in women's spaces or maternity wards using language that annoys you.

Even in the context of Walsh we are talking about the removal of reproductive healthcare, the eradication of welfare, an extention of immigration prisons and deportations and the destruction of LGB lives and relationships and many of his political fellow travellers would go much further. We are talking about millions of lives destroyed. That you can even entertain an arsehole like that simply because he thinks trans people are evil is pretty chilling. This is how tyrannies emerge, when the so called liberal middle classes are prepared to tolerate atrocities to get rid of the Jews/Communists/Trans people whoever the targetted minority of the day is.

Thank goodness the gender critical movement has remained so tiny and seems to be slowly petering out because there are some monstrous attitudes within it and thankfully more and more people are waking up to that.

Keep up the sensationalist hyperbole. It doesn’t distract people from your increasingly far fetched rhetoric and your positioning of all trans people being a hive mind of wonderous support of the rights of females.

Some trans people support the rights of females. Some trans people don’t. Some trans people state some very hateful things about females. Thankfully not many and we know they are extreme. But should we consider those extremists to be representative of all trans people?

Frankly your incredibly wild claim that supporting Matt Walsh will mean that regimes such as the Taliban in style will take over the governments of the UK, the USA and other well established governments is so offensive, I think I won’t even bother.

I was and am very clearly referring to the established democracy of the US where Matt Walsh lives and the UK where I live. And the extreme lack of likelihood that every women will again be turned in slaves and dissenters are tortured in prison.

(Although as PP have also posted, females are tortured already in prison when they are confronted by male prisoners in their prison estate - oh yeah… remember that thread where you told us it wasn’t happening. Only to have the news report it the very next day that yes, it was still happening that males were in female prisons and some may even have detransioned upon release)

But please do twist it to look like I am ignoring countries that have no relevance in the post I was responding to. Where at the very worst, you talked about Spain, which is currently part of the EU and rather proud of their democratically elected representatives too, I daresay.

Matt Walsh and women saying that they agree with him on this issue will have no impact on Spain either. But do tell us exactly how he and any woman saying they agree with him on this issue will cause the demise of democracy in the US and the UK. Clearly, please so we know the pitfalls.

In fact, have you thought about what you are suggesting about women who live in countries currently undergoing horrific loss of democracy? Are you suggesting they did something to support it?

However, you have shown readers of this thread just how far you will go to show your utter disdain and contempt for women who say no to you.

TurquoiseBaubles · 23/01/2022 22:58

It was complete bollox by the way, the meeting was to be about women's rights, an issue we aren't allowed to talk about here Angry

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 23/01/2022 23:04

@EeeICouldRipATissue

Barley, did you write this? The fact that others seem to be saying it too...... instead of going straight to laughing, maybe think there might just be a grain of truth in it?
Grain of truth in what? It totally avoids addressing the letter and just restates their policy. I'd hope there was more than a grain of truth in there about the SWP's political position as it is a press statement from the... SWP.

But on a serious note, I was rather wondering if you'd attempt something facile like that.

Congratulations, as a past proponent of polity-purity, you've just allied yourself with the party of the Comrade Delta case! The case where a political party covered up allegations of rape against a senior party member, because they didn't want to involve something as bourgeoisie as the police.

The victim was 17 years old.

Institutional misogyny from the SWP surprises me not a whit.

EeeICouldRipATissue · 23/01/2022 23:08

your positioning of all trans people being a hive mind of wonderous support of the rights of females
Where has anyone done that?!

Helleofabore · 23/01/2022 23:09

Thank goodness the gender critical movement has remained so tiny and seems to be slowly petering out because there are some monstrous attitudes within it and thankfully more and more people are waking up to that.

Oh dear. More hyperbole. And projection.

So on one hand we are so powerful and large enough in numbers, we can influence the likes of Matt Walsh and on the other hand, WE are supposedly the monsters and and a very small group.

Really, get your stories straight.

A good thing though that there is that great Yougov survey that keeps getting misrepresented. You know the one that shows the majority to be against males with penises accessing female toilets and changing rooms….

The majority. Must be hard to keep hearing that.

But can we stick to discussing Matt Walsh please. Let’s stay on the OP.

No more derailing please.

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