GDPR and lost "likes" on JKR's Twitter posts

[Crimesean]

As most of us are aware, Twitter covertly removes "likes" from posts the moderators dislike but can't ban because they're well within the rules.

I'm not an expert in GDPR law, but since I own my Twitter account (or rather the information posted), is there scope for me/other GC feminists to demand that Twitter release data on likes removed and explain why?

I'll seek legal advice before acting (which I can afford - this isn't a plea for crowdfunding!) but am wondering whether anyone has tried this tactic previously?

I had a look at the paper 'proving' that ROGD doesn't exist, and I'm not sure about the premises.First, ROGD is nothing more than a claim that for some teenagers dysphoria or a trans identification is a result of social influences, which leads them to transition very quickly. I don't see what, exactly, is so transphobic or controversial about this claim given that many disorders are susceptible to social contagion. Surely it would be beneficial to know if certain subgroups were susceptible to being induced into thinking they were trans, especially given the risk of them getting unnecessary medical treatment. I'm pretty tired of this idea that any questioning of ANY aspect of trans doctrine must automatically be bigoted.

Secondly, the paper claims there would be a difference between teens who had claimed a trans identity for a while versus the late onset teens. But why think that is the case? We know from past experience that anorexia and self harm are mental disorders which have a huge social contagion component (so much so that OFCOM has forbidden depictions of self harm in the mainstream media, because so many children copy it). It would be surprising if there was a clinical difference between anorexics who developed the disease naturally and those who developed it after being exposed to pro-ana content online.

Third, the researchers propose that the late onset trans teens would be more likely to be depressed, have a mental disorder, experience less depression etc. But why think that? Intuitively they would probably be similar to trans youths, who have high levels of mental illness. The data shows that the majority of the kids surveyed, no matter their onset time, had trans friends and trans supportive friends online which is...totally expected. Why would you expect trans children to not have trans peers online, and only the ROGD kids to have trans peers?

Interestingly, I notice that the vast majority of the participants were female. If you look at the history of trans kid healthcare, until very recently most trans children were male. What is the explanation for the bulk of trans kids now being female? Or is that a transphobic question as well?

I think the problem with ROGD is that you can't easily test the hypothesis until after the fact...until kids later come out and say 'oh, that was a mistake I wasn't really trans.' If ROGD is complete nonsense, it would be good to hear why the number of trans referrals for children has gone through the roof.

no actual trans people involved, or even kids saying they are trans, only the parents.

Because the study was about parental perceptions?! That was the study.

People who say ROGD doesn't exist are the same people who say AGP doesn't exist, and "men saying they're trans to gain access to women's spaces don't exist" and "it never happens".

Wee, as far as I can tell, that study says at the start that late onset gd is "completely normal." And then goes on to look at a period defined as a key time for ROGD. 2017-19.

Particularly as it's a key time for media discussion/ promotion of it and jazz fame etc.

Can you not see who has 'liked' it like fb?

It must be said that the conversation on this thread has been substantially redirected from its beginnings. Interesting to see what the MRA's preferred topic is.

Littman also published a piece defending her methods

"The Use of Methodologies in Littman (2018) Is Consistent with the Use of Methodologies in Other Studies Contributing to the Field of Gender Dysphoria Research: Response to Restar (2019)."

@WarriorN

Wee, as far as I can tell, that study says at the start that late onset gd is "completely normal." And then goes on to look at a period defined as a key time for ROGD. 2017-19.

Particularly as it's a key time for media discussion/ promotion of it and jazz fame etc.

Tavistock show in detail how late onset GD among girls suddenly takes off in the late 2010s with no prior GD issues, comparing to previous years.

Ah the Canadian group:

"We began working toward building a pan-Canadian study of trans youth in clinical care in 2014, and received funding in 2016 to start collecting data in 2017."

So their data started with patients in the ROGD wave. Hence late onset being considered "normal."

The increase in transitioning seems to be teenage girls and middle aged men, particularly those going to court/prison.

"it would be good to hear why the number of trans referrals for children has gone through the roof"... It hasn't gone through the roof, have you noticed the referrals levelled off a few years ago and is now 2400. No where near the 1% of kids who we know are trans, given ~1% has been the low ball estimate of trans people for a long time.

gids.nhs.uk/number-referrals

It's absolutely bizarre that these referrals are "evidence" that lots of kids are coming out as trans. It's still no where near the 1% we'd expect for a low ball estimate of number of trans people.

No kids should be referred onto a medical pathway though.
None.

Well I guess most people are transgender - as in do not see themselves as having a gender identity that aligns with thier sex - but don't see the need to do anything in particular about it ?

@ool0n

"it would be good to hear why the number of trans referrals for children has gone through the roof"... It hasn't gone through the roof, have you noticed the referrals levelled off a few years ago and is now 2400. No where near the 1% of kids who we know are trans, given ~1% has been the low ball estimate of trans people for a long time.

gids.nhs.uk/number-referrals

It's absolutely bizarre that these referrals are "evidence" that lots of kids are coming out as trans. It's still no where near the 1% we'd expect for a low ball estimate of number of trans people.

Where does the 1% figure come from and how is trans defined for the purposes of working it out?

I don't have a gender. It's a pain with form filling when the option for gender includes female, which I have been since conception (but that is sex not gender!).

Where does the 1% figure come from and how is trans defined for the purposes of working it out?

Stonewall - but its trans umbrella definition is a very broad church.

I seem to remember that RMW’s law book mentions figures of between 1 in 2000 and 1 in 5000 people in the UK, so about 13,000 to 35,000 trans people in the UK.

So not necessarily children with gender dysphoria who presumably should be the only ones that find themselves in gender identity clinics.

@ool0n you have again focused solely on the UK (this is a global phenomenon) as well as focused on referrals only. Looking solely at the UK (which you seem determined to do), the number of referrals are only a small piece of the picture. PP have mentioned the broad umbrella of what constitutes a definition of trans. Many of us (including myself), know children who are questioning their gender, changing names/pronouns/asking their schools to change records etc. They are socially transitioning though not being specifically referred to a gender clinic. There are increasing numbers of children, particularly girls, who are identifying as trans and questioning their gender - that is not in doubt. It is observable across the country - many people (including myself) are seeing this happen.

What is strange is that this phenomenon is either being denied entirely (your posts being an example) or is being ignored as a subject for research.

The DSM5 says the prevalence of gender dysphoria is 0.005 to 0.0014% for adult males, and 0.002% for adult females. That is NOT the same thing as claiming that 1% of the population is trans, which encompasses cross dressers, non-binary people, and people who do not experience gender dysphoria. Given these children are reporting gender dysphoria, this is a huge leap in numbers. For what it's worth, I read the DSM from the late 80s and there were just a handful of children (all male) a year complaining of gender dysphoria. It was such a rare condition that it had never even been heard of in girls. Again, I don't understand why raising questions about these issues is transphobic and bigoted.

@WarriorN

It does tickle me when a tra gets in a pickle about some sort of lie or error in facts when trans ideology is based on lies

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/cruelty-as-a-hobby

Thank you for the link, WarriorN.

Very revealing.

I agree with previous posters that there's something very disturbing about a poster coming onto Mumsnet to boast that they're involved in and sharing content with the developers/contributors/supporters of tech specifically designed to silence women who are raising safeguarding concerns.
Woolbert TerfTracker and 15yo stepdaughter, Challenor TerfBlocker and 10yo girl, Bailey Shinigami Eyes TerfHunter and 14yo girl. All the major anti-terf tech is produced by male sex offenders.
Why brag about association with it on this section of this site?

Oh, now I see. Thanks WarriorN.
shudders

OP, I say go for it. It costs nothing to submit a GDPR request, and if someone can work out the wording and share a template then it's easy for all six of us and our sock puppets to do the same.
Oolon claiming it can't be done just means he can't work out how it could be done for all his alleged techspertise, or possibly just more STFU for women pointing out what we can see is happening in front of us. Probably both.

The thing is, when you are considering a child's presentation vis a vis comfort with their sexed body in early childhood as part of the evidence for a theory such as ROGD, you do need to consider parental memories. I would imagine that a 14 year old natal female who "comes out" as trans is likely to reinterpret their childhood through this lens. They aren't likely to say "oh no I was perfectly happy as a girl until I hit puberty". Whereas a parent will have clear memories of the child's early preferences as a toddler things- they said, questions they asked, etc in a way that most of us simply don't accurately recall of our own todlerhood and early childhood.

There's a Gender Critical block list?