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the breast milk trade

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Bindelj · 12/01/2022 10:57

Dear all, I am investigating the commercial breast milk trade in the UK. I wrote this about the situation in Cambodia 4 years ago (www.truthdig.com/articles/an-example-of-capitalism-literally-milking-the-poor). Horrific. The way things are going we will be seeing desperately poor women in the UK being coerced into selling milk. Does anyone have any knowledge or experience of this issue? If so, I am on [email protected] or please respond here. Many thanks.

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AgathaMystery · 12/01/2022 11:13

Many many yrs ago I had loads of BM in the freezer & offered it up on some BM page for women who needed EBM for their babies. I was inundated with emails from absolute perverts offering me a fortune for it, or, better still ‘a personal visit’ HmmConfused yuck.

BettyFilous · 12/01/2022 11:15

Is this actually Julie Bindell or a doxxing attempt?

Pucarbuile · 12/01/2022 11:22

I've nothing to add, but this podcast was interesting for an insight to the American experience. gimletmedia.com/shows/reply-all/v4he9w

StylishMummy · 12/01/2022 11:26

I would've donated by breast milk but our local hospital doesn't have a milk bank and others were too far afield.

I offered it for sale as I've heard of body builders etc using it to build muscle (amino acids or something). I was inundated with perverts asking for 'direct feeds'. I didn't sell any milk and it went in the kids baths until we'd used it all

tiktok · 12/01/2022 11:26

Julie, do you know LACTNET? the archives are public.
International email list for people working in the field of breastfeeding which is much less busy than it used to be (don't confuse with FB group of the same name). Anyway.....I recall many discussions about commodification of breastmilk going years back. The market as I recall was US mothers and US gay men who had babies with a surrogate mother. You prob know this anyway. But maybe you don't know about LACTNET as an info resource.
I am out of the loop now, but I don't know of any commercial milk selling in the UK, but I have not checked recently. I can't think of any reason why , if it was possible, it would not happen here, except we have a tradition of blood donation which we value. I'm sure there'd be some sort of market though.

HopeMumsnet · 12/01/2022 12:33

Hi all,
We have been in touch behind the scenes and can confirm this is indeed Julie Bindel. We hope that allays any concerns and we are grateful to those who flagged the thread for our attention. Better safe than sorry!

EmpressCixi · 12/01/2022 12:43

Women selling breast milk is happening in the U.K. through FB and other platforms. It is completely unregulated and buyers have no idea whether they’re feeing safe breast milk to their babies or some other substance or even breast milk that has gone off or has traces of drugs if the seller/producer is not clean.

So because it is already happening in UK in a completely unregulated and unsafe manner, I think we need to face reality and pass legislation to regulate the sale of breastmilk. The legislation would have its primary purpose be to prevent exploitation of the women producing and selling their breastmilk, and to ensure safety of the buyers infants that it would be fed to. There could be a minimum price for breastmilk that companies would have to pay the women producing the breastmilk. They should have employee/worker rights as well. There should also be a cap on profits, so when the milk is screened, pasteurised and so on, the companies can’t then sell it on to buyers for outrageous prices.

I don’t think a ban would do anything but drive this into the black market where we know the women producing the breast milk will be explore. The milk can be adulterated with water and other liquids, not safely stored and then once bought, could make an infant sick or die. Again, this is already happening because it is neither legal nor illegal to sell breast milk. Regulating it would make it safer than it currently is and prevent exploitation.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 12/01/2022 12:44

What? We are resurrecting wet nurses as a role for impoverished women in Britain in 2022?

Fucking hell.

OhHolyJesus · 12/01/2022 12:49

A slight tangent I realise, but I've been interested to read about Biomilq, the supposed best alternative to formula. It's manufactured using milk cultures from cows udders. I am waiting for them, or someone else, to try to create the human form using milk ducts from amputated breasts.

www.biomilq.com/

EmpressCixi · 12/01/2022 12:51

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

What? We are resurrecting wet nurses as a role for impoverished women in Britain in 2022?

Fucking hell.

They don’t have to be impoverished. Maternity pay isn’t very good for many women and being able to pump a bit on the side to make a little extra money isn’t a bad thing in itself. So these are just regular every day working women, not necessarily impoverished or living on state benefits.

The issue that poor women are vulnerable to exploitation is true of every role and every job when you think about it. It still would apply here.

My point is that BM is currently being sold by women. It is already happening and banning it would simply take away another means that an impoverished woman has to make money. So these women are going to keep doing it even if it is banned, only then they will have no protections from exploitation and actually selling your breast milk would then be criminalised and they could be arrested and fined or imprisoned for selling their own BM.

The better route is to not ban it, recognise it is happening but put in place legislation to prevent exploitation and regulate the BM so that buyers infants can safely consume it.

OhHolyJesus · 12/01/2022 12:52

Another aside Julie, sorry - I know the commissioning mother of the child the 'Travelling Surrogate', Kim Eldridge feeds the child breastmilk from a local, obliging woman. I've no idea if it is donated for free or if she pays it but I'd put money on the latter. I also have no idea how you might find her. I realise that's not very helpful.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 12/01/2022 12:59

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

What? We are resurrecting wet nurses as a role for impoverished women in Britain in 2022?

Fucking hell.

Yeah…

Nope nope nope

Alayalaya · 12/01/2022 13:06

I couldn’t give the stuff away! Tried to donate but the nearest place that would accept it was over a hundred miles away. It didn’t occur to me to offer it privately - I thought nobody in their right mind would feed their baby milk from an un-screened person who could have god knows what diseases.

Honestly I think the private sale of breast milk needs to be banned because it’s too dangerous. No baby should be put at risk by being fed milk that hasn’t been screened for infection and drugs.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 12/01/2022 13:14

In the olden days, when my boobs were busy, the hospital had a milk bank for the premature or poorly babies.

Who is buying this unregulated stuff? Apart from the surrogate? Mothers who aren't able to breastfeed who think it's best to buy it off eBay?

Does this just mean we need to take the negative spin off formula?

RockCrushesLizard · 12/01/2022 13:14

There's a company called Neokare in the uk that pays donors a token amount for expenses, gives all sorts of chat about how they're wonderful, then processes and sells the milk to other families at astonishing prices - as in hundreds of pounds per litre. It's so exploitative.

They spend all their time on social media trying to link up with midwives, lactation consultants etc (I had an email from them offering a "partnership" to promote their scheme.
The Human Milk Foundation & Dr Natalie Shenkar are doing wonderful things for donor milk as a social enterprise, and can probably give you chapter and verse on this...

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 12/01/2022 16:01

Does this just mean we need to take the negative spin off formula

Might be a start

Our local hospital had a milk bank as well

Lovelyricepudding · 12/01/2022 16:42

I guess when you have bought a product (human baby) from one women, why not exploit others for milk?

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 12/01/2022 17:18

Hi Julie,

Could you, or any other poster, break this issue down for me? I’ve never heard of it.

Who is doing it?
Who is buying it?
What are the immediate problems it creates?
What are the long term problems it creates?
What are the positives (if there are any)?

I’m struggling to get my head around it.

DaisiesandButtercups · 12/01/2022 17:47

When breastfeeding mothers donate milk to the local NICU, the donating mother often has a home visit from the specialist infant feeding neonatal nurse who advises on sterilisation and handling of milk. The mother has blood tests for diseases which can be passed on through breastmilk, every batch of donated milk is tested for harmful bacteria.

To buy milk from strangers online sounds like a far too risky affair! That is before even considering the highly dubious ethics.

No, selling mother’s milk should not be permitted in the UK. We don’t allow the exploitation of the poor by selling their blood nor should we allow it with milk. If it is used as a means out of poverty then it will surely happen in circumstances where it could be damaging to the mother or baby. A mother’s milk is perfectly formulated for her own baby, the age, the time of day, the health status. The supply and demand is actually quite carefully balanced and so encouraging mothers to donate can in some cases actually cause problems (oversupply and all that goes with it) for the dyad which will only resolve when expressing or pumping is phased out.

Instead we should be giving adequate breastfeeding support to all mothers who want their babies to receive their milk and putting an end to all practices which separate mother and baby or otherwise interfere with the breastfeeding relationship.

Cherryblossoms85 · 12/01/2022 17:50

I don't know. I provided breast milk to a premature baby unit, had to jump through a few hoops like blood tests but it was otherwise quite a straighforward process, and a nice thing to do.
I'd never have sold it, but if somebody else wants to, well their body, their choice? I suppose I also don't fundamentally disagree with prostitution though, so I'm probably an outlier.

KimikosNightmare · 12/01/2022 17:57

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

What? We are resurrecting wet nurses as a role for impoverished women in Britain in 2022?

Fucking hell.

There really is no need for this in the UK. Everyone has access to safe and clean drinking water. There is no reason for not to use formula.

Is this tied to the demonisation of formula and "breast is best"?

Surely no-one can seriously think untested, unchecked and unregulated breast milk is better than formula?

newnamenewyear · 12/01/2022 17:59

Who's buying it? Mothers, for their babies plus adults e.g. body builders who see it as a health supplement plus, no doubt, fetishists.

Here are some articles on it:

Liquid Gold: The Booming Market for Human Breast Milk

milk companies are popping up around the globe – why haven’t governments stepped in? [[https://theconversation.com/breast-milk-companies-are-popping-up-around-the-globe-why-havent-governments-stepped-in-169995]]

Natural superfood: is it time to regulate the sale of breast milk?

And, a study:

Nurture commodified? An investigation into commercial human milk supply chains

Yet another way that women are used as a resource to be exploited.

KimikosNightmare · 12/01/2022 18:00

Instead we should be giving adequate breastfeeding support to all mothers who want their babies to receive their milk and putting an end to all practices which separate mother and baby or otherwise interfere with the breastfeeding relationship

See comment below.

Does this just mean we need to take the negative spin off formula?

newnamenewyear · 12/01/2022 18:02

The Human Milk Foundation & Dr Natalie Shenkar are doing wonderful things for donor milk as a social enterprise, and can probably give you chapter and verse on this...

Agreed, I bet Dr Natalie Shenkar knows loads about this.