Review of HP reunion in The Guardian…they just can’t help themselves

[OhDear2200]

www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/jan/01/harry-potter-20th-anniversary-return-to-hogwarts-review-perilously-close-to-emetic

I guess they at least note her absence. But can’t help say ‘widely considered as transphobic’. Just why? Why say anything.

Floisme - I assume that means "give proof or fuck off"? I'm not here to give proof, I didnt come here to provide everyone with wonderful proof that counteracts all of your arguments and get you off your high horses. I don't have anything against JKR, nor am I on the other "side". My point was and remains that a lot of what JKR (and others) say is open to your own interpretation which I think is where the issue comes from, and that there are extremists on both sides. Am I not allowed to join in any discussion unless I have a folder full of "proof" to provide at whim?

Shedmistress - I said I was going to try and find the insightful arguments that I've read against JKR, I didn't say that about the death threats. Bear in mind that what I've read, I found insightful, that's my whole point, its subjective.

Whatever "proof" you're expecting of me also isn't going to be found willy nilly in the next 20 minutes, it actually involves me to go researching it and reading hundreds of posts until I find the one that I find insightful, because I don't share the same values as everyone else in the world.

@Blackbird1234

Whatever "proof" you're expecting of me also isn't going to be found willy nilly in the next 20 minutes, it actually involves me to go researching it and reading hundreds of posts until I find the one that I find insightful, because I don't share the same values as everyone else in the world.

So don't then.

You posted that you were, but if you aren't [because there isn't any] then don't make accusations that there are death threats on both sides.

If there are, back up your accusations. If there aren't, just stop pretending that there are.

Here’s another one. Bear in mind that these are two brand new pieces of abuse towards JKR, that I’ve managed to find with one click of a search on Twitter, a platform I don’t even use. But Blackbird1234 can’t or won’t find similar, even though there are “plenty”:

Of course you can join in Blackbird - as can anyone. But when you make post after post claiming to have seen 'insightful' evidence and yet fail to produce a single line of it, and then claim it doesn't matter anyway because it's all open to interpretation, and then try and make out that you're the victim (No I did not say, '...or fuck off') well don't be surprised when nobody takes you seriously.

It is absolutely not about can't or won't, I've explained what I'm doing above but because I don't have the written pieces saved in my phone ready to deploy immediately, you're saying I'm not doing it. This is exactly what makes me believe that even when I do find a post that I found to be insightful, you won't find it insightful and will deem it invalid - which is my exact point, we all have different opinions of what we find insightful. Neither of you have found anything so far, so I highly doubt that anything I find will change your mind.

Floisme - I wasn't implying you told me to fuck off, sorry if you thought that, that was my own interpretation of the saying that I hadn't actually heard before. My point is that it is insightful to me and I do genuinely hope I can find a couple of them on my computer, but that as it is all open to interpretation, others will disagree. I am scrolling through the forums I believe to have seen it on before and will find one in due course, but as I'm not a speed reader nor a robot, I will actually need to take time to read the posts carefully which I dont feel I'm being given.

The thread won’t disappear Blackbird1234. Take all the time you need and come back. Looking forward to an insightful appraisal of JKR’s words and why they’re transphobic, and a catalogue of abuse sent by confirmed JKR supporters to those who oppose her.

@Blackbird1234

It is absolutely not about can't or won't, I've explained what I'm doing above but because I don't have the written pieces saved in my phone ready to deploy immediately, you're saying I'm not doing it. This is exactly what makes me believe that even when I do find a post that I found to be insightful, you won't find it insightful and will deem it invalid - which is my exact point, we all have different opinions of what we find insightful. Neither of you have found anything so far, so I highly doubt that anything I find will change your mind.

Death threats are death threats.

If you can find a post that threatens to rape or threatens death made by a gender critical person, then post it.

Or apologise because it is blatantly not true.

I'm bored with people coming on here accusing us of death threats. We don't need death threats.
We don't need rape threats.
We know our onions.
We know our truth.

I will indeed take all the time I need to find and post what I have seen written against JKR that I deemed insightful, which is what I said in the beginning. I will not post anything else that I didnt say I would, because I didn't say I would.
I have a couple of hours of sewing lessons with my MIL this afternoon, so once that's done I'll continue my search and will post what I found to be insightful, with absolutely no hopes or wishes to change anyones mind in the slightest, I'm not here for that.

that was my own interpretation of the saying that I hadn't actually heard before
Your interpretation was wrong. Perhaps your use of the word 'insightful' is wrong, too.

Anyway, peeps, give Blackbird as rest so they can do their research. I'll give until 6 o'clock tonight.

Oh, x-post with "a couple of hours of sewing lessons with my MIL this afternoon, so once that's done I'll continue my search". Sounds like my 6 o'clock was too optimistic. Silly me.

Senua - This is really getting silly. Thanks for the deadline that I'll ignore, as I actually want to find a post I found insightful as I am posting in good faith, and am not gonna half arse it just because some stranger on the internet says I have a deadline 🙄

@Blackbird1234

Notbad - Then allow me some time to see if I can find the ones I have already seen. It isn't a lie. I do not commend death threats in ANY case, dont get me wrong. I think its terrible of either side sending them and doesn't help the cause in the slightest. I can assure you I'm posting in good faith, I have absolutely zero vendetta out on JKR, I simply find the conversation really interesting and enjoy speaking to people about it on occasion. I'm sorry if you think I'm not posting in good faith.

Just quoting your post about death threats from both sides not being a lie.

Because you seem to have forgotten that you are accusing women of issuing death threats.

Shedmistress Are you saying that no woman could issue a death threat?

@Blackbird1234

Shedmistress Are you saying that no woman could issue a death threat?

You're rambling, somewhat.

Triphazards - Oh for goodness sake, that was a genuine question about what the poster meant by her sentence so I dont misunderstand.

Enjoyable as this is, I think it’s just the 12 inch disco remix of the usual inability to pin down anything JKRowling has said that is transphobic

Don’t take it personally, blackbird. You may or may not know that you’re in a long tradition of posters who are convinced she is transphobic, but who cannot specify quite why, and also to assure us that gender critical women will pop out a death threat at the first opportunity, but unfortunately, can’t just right now lay their hands on the evidence…

Blackbird1234 the people who accuse JKR of transphobia are the ones say we have to BELIEVE they are women. If you don't BELIEVE, you are a transphobe.

That's what it boils down to.

Do you think people should be called nasty names because of their beliefs? Or lack thereof?

And no, the death- (and rape-) threats were only going one way. Saying 'those people are so extreme they don't count' cuts no ice with those on the receiving end who are being told they deserve it.

Here's the thing, Blackbird. Even if women were issuing death threats to trans people (which they're not), it's not really salient to the argument.

Let's remind ourselves of the argument that trans activists make repeatedly: trans women pose no threat to women. They are mild and sensitive people who just want to "pee in peace".

Every time a transactivist makes a threat to Rowling or any other woman, they undermine that claim.

And they have made thousands of threats. As Rowling says, she could paper her house with them.

So you could argue that transactivists are engaged in an extreme kind of gaslighting, by deliberately contradicting their own statements.

Or you could just argue that they are very, very thick.

Sophoclesthefox - I don't think that JKR is transphobic, nor do I think that GC women will pop out a death threat at the first opportunity. You're annoyed by me speaking on this thread when I don't share the same opinion as you, I get it, but why not actually stick to things I've genuinely said.

Triphazards - Oh for goodness sake, that was a genuine question about what the poster meant by her sentence so I dont misunderstand.

You said they had. When you said 'i think it is terrible both sides sending them'.

So either produce evidence or stop accusing women of sending them.

It's pretty simple. Back up your extreme claims or stop making them. Don't pretend you don't understand my sentence.

You're annoyed by me speaking on this thread when I don't share the same opinion as you*
I'm annoyed at you still being on this thread when you said - two hours ago (11:54:46 to be precise) - that you were going off to find evidence.

Shedmistress - Pretty sure I said "people who stand with JKR" not women specifically as men also stand with her. My post was referring to whether the poster meant that women specifically never send death threats, as that's what I thought she meant. Better to ask than to assume and get it wrong.

Senua - We are having a coffee break, is it ok with you that I came back onto this thread because I wanted to? Or do I really not need to ask you for permission 🙄