People behind Wild Womyn Workshop receive death threats

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10272223/Lesbian-businesswoman-designs-feminist-t-shirts-worn-J-K-Rowling-receives-death-threats.html

This is not acceptable. I like that the DM includes a link to their website at the end of the article. Not sure the DM readership is their target market, but a nice touch.

Go witches go...

Look.
The single most common cause of death in male people aged between 29-49 (in the UK) is suicide.

This means, the single most common cause of death in transwomen aged 28-49 will be suicide.

To blame the suicides of male people on any one specific person (a letter their mum wrote) or group of people (gender critical feminists) goes completely against Samaritan guidelines, and is weaponising a death in the most heinous of ways.

What is needed is more mental health support for male people. Not to force others into a batshit belief system.

Christ, the "Oh look a squirrel" posts on here

A woman has been abused and threatened, but but but...

@ScreamingMeMe

Christ, the "Oh look a squirrel" posts on here

A woman has been abused and threatened, but but but...

Indeed. And I've got sucked into squirrelling.

A woman is receiving death threats, therefore women on MN are all hateful people being held responsible for a stranger's suicide, is that where we are? I see.

And terf is a slur, Margarita, used to smear and Mark women out as suitable targets for abuse.

terfisaslur.com provides endless examples of rape and death threats couple with use of the term. There seems to be a strong correlation between those who apply the term to women and those making threats, funnily enough.

Well done Daily Mail 👏 👍 👌

I have to admit I find myself agreeing with their articles more and more as I get older.

Hilarious, Emma Watson may identify as a feminist but she sure as hell isn't one

Exactly, you can't be a feminist if you're not GC.

@MargaritaPie

Yes threats are uncalled for.

But are we going to ignore the fact they are selling items with "T*RF" on them as if transphobia is "cool" and something to be glamorised and normalised?

Would T-shirts and mugs with "homophobic" on them be acceptable?

Seeing as terf doesn't mean transphobia she's good to keep selling her merch.

Personally I'm absolutely fine with TERF being glamourised and normalised. I haven't been glamourous since the 90's.

Well if no other publication is bothered about sharing the targeting and harrasment of a single parent and her child then I am glad the Daily Mail is bringing this to public attention.

"TERF" is a slur used by TRAs to abuse feminists, that some women would like to reclaim. Like "queer" was reclaimed.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

"TERF" is a slur used by TRAs to abuse feminists, that some women would like to reclaim. Like "queer" was reclaimed.

This.

Long before the present furore Watson had set out her stall as a vacuous, wittering, empty- headed twerp.

Do posters who find themselves on a feminist board minimising and excusing threats and violence against women ever wonder how they got to such a place? Do they ever wonder why a lack of care and empathy for women and children appears to be a feature rather than a flaw in their thinking?

@Grumpyosaurus

The analogy is spot on. The n-word is a slur. It is a term used to insult and demean, rather than just describe. So is terf.

As for feminism... Honestly, I'm not sure if you lack the capacity to understand or are so convinced of your virtue that you can't get your head around another POV, but feminism is about women. That is, the old fashioned XX type. The type repressed and abused for millennia because (get this) they are the ones who have the babies which puts them at a massive physical disadvantage.

Women, due to their biology, were shat on from a great height for centuries. Men wanted to control reproduction, so they needed to control women. They were, on average, significantly bigger and stronger (this is because of a hormone called testosterone, which you may have heard of), so they were well able to control the baby-makers, and in many places they still do. Women got a bit sick of not being able to own proper, or vote, or earn the same as men for the same work, hence feminism. Hence the rejection of gender roles and stereotypes, which just serves to keep us in our (very unequal) place.

Feminism, the sort I ascribe to, is about women, not people who were once men. It's about the rejection of gender, while at the same time acknowledging that there are real differences between men and women. Trans rights are not the same as feminism. I can believe that feminism is about actual, natal women, and still be 100% in favour of trans people having the same rights that we all have, provided (and this is the kicker) that doesn't result in women being, yet again, shat on from a great height, and losing oh, dunno, the right to be safe if incarcerated, or to compete fairly in sports.

I hope that's clear.

Exactly completely agree

@Goatsaregreat

Do posters who find themselves on a feminist board minimising and excusing threats and violence against women ever wonder how they got to such a place? Do they ever wonder why a lack of care and empathy for women and children appears to be a feature rather than a flaw in their thinking?

Extremely well put.

@MargaritaPie

My understanding is T*RF and transphobic are basically interchangeable. It's not really something to proudly call oneself or to have on your coffee cup.

I find this interesting to hear from a TRA.

Women who stand up for women are frequently called "terf".

The "terf" everyone is so afraid of only really exists in mythology.
The "terf" is someone who wants to "deny transpeople exist" it is someone who "hates transpeople" it is someone who "wants transpeople to die".

Despite the fact no one thinks that.

Anyone accused of being a "terf" only needs to say something quite benign like anything JKR has said, but they're then accused of all of the above.

I find it interesting when a TRA admits that the term "terf" is used as a synonym for "transphobic" because usually when women complain about being called "terf" when saying something completely not transphobic, we're gaslit and told it's "just a neutral description of a type of feminist" and apparently was "invented by feminists".

I think we can all agree the term is far from a neutral description and it's used as a weapon to accuse women of things they haven't ever said let alone thought.

It's ok to reclaim it in my opinion. It's such a harmful derogatory acronym.

"Despite the fact no one thinks that"

Lily Cade?

Hey Pie clown dancing as usual.

Lily Cade?

Lily Cade is a porn star, not a radical feminist.

@Goatsaregreat

Do posters who find themselves on a feminist board minimising and excusing threats and violence against women ever wonder how they got to such a place? Do they ever wonder why a lack of care and empathy for women and children appears to be a feature rather than a flaw in their thinking?

No they don’t because they’re not posting because they care about any of the issues being discussed. They’re posting to turn the conversation to them.

Yes, I did think that, Goats. What is the point of it? Why come and try and make these hopeless 'gotcha' attempts? They're not argument points, they're not even coherent.

I forget that some people argue to express anger, as much as to get anywhere.

Actually came across something interesting

Did a bit of a google around the 200 trans friends at funeral because it seemed unusual

Came across an article on a recent trans suicide in Canada, very sad case as ever these things are

The article did not quote the usual high suicide line about transgender people

It actually read " transgender and gender none conforming "

It would be really interesting to understand the later in particular.

I hope that the wild woman is not at increased risk of suicide as a result of the hate she has received

I came back to thank Someposters for answering my question yesterday, only to find that the post had been deleted. I assume because the linking of a suicide to the behaviour of a person would breach media guidelines.

The other part of the answer was revealing. Someposters only reads science magazines. (Though presumably not articles about chromosomes.) Yet someposters feels able to lecture others on their choice of media, seemingly believing that their life experience, or rather their interpretation of experiences in their life is superior to those who take in information from elsewhere before forming views.

I am sick of this "I am right because I am right. If you do not agree with me, you are wrong and bad and wicked" sort of argument.

As for our Wild Womyn shero. She lives in a market economy. If people don't like the slogans on her T shirts, they won't buy them.

I wonder if the anger directed at her relates to a loss of control. For a long time women, and indeed organisations, were cowed. Accept our language or you are a TERF and thus hateful and phobic and beyond the pale. Then brave women, from all sorts of backgrounds, started standing up and stating their views, effectively defying the accusers to identify content that was hateful. And hey, Maggie Pie ended up scraping the barrel till they were able to find a porn actress in California who had crossed the line to use as a gotcha. It is so tedious, and worse still, so intellectually weak.

And hey, Maggie Pie ended up scraping the barrel till they were able to find a porn actress in California who had crossed the line to use as a gotcha. It is so tedious, and worse still, so intellectually weak.

Exactly, TRA's trawling the backwaters of the internet to find someone (not even in the UK) to bash women with is kinda pathetic.

I mean, if you want to play the "You do it too" game...

And also the "Terf isn't a slur" game...

God this is all so tedious.

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