People behind Wild Womyn Workshop receive death threats

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10272223/Lesbian-businesswoman-designs-feminist-t-shirts-worn-J-K-Rowling-receives-death-threats.html

This is not acceptable. I like that the DM includes a link to their website at the end of the article. Not sure the DM readership is their target market, but a nice touch.

Go witches go...

Maybe some posters should also look at the harm that is being perpetuated by unrealistic narratives being pushed by the community they are determined to sanctify. A narrative that attempts to bend reality to their own version rather than understand how their reality fits in with the rest of society and make sure that their claims for rights don’t negatively impact others. And then if they do negatively impact others deny that it has any negative impact at all.

And then admit just how much this contributes to the negative mental health within the community.

Got distracted and forgot to add this.

Even after several years on mumsnet I do find it interesting that some posters still don’t realise that mumsnet is not in fact their actual mum & it’s not our job to say “there there never mind” and sacrifice our own needs to theirs

I’m sure the condemnation of the death threats, harassment and abuse that women have faced for speaking out about their right to single sex spaces will come very soon….

Yes threats are uncalled for.

But are we going to ignore the fact they are selling items with "T*RF" on them as if transphobia is "cool" and something to be glamorised and normalised?

Would T-shirts and mugs with "homophobic" on them be acceptable?

A phobia is an irrational fear or hatred.

Feminists just don't include males in feminism and that's what terf means as feminism.is fir females.

That's not fear or hatred.

Speaking up for women to maintain their legal right to single sex spaces is not transphobic

But you know that

I consider it pretty homophobic to redefine same sex attraction to same gender attraction but then I’m not Stonewall

My understanding is T*RF and transphobic are basically interchangeable. It's not really something to proudly call oneself or to have on your coffee cup.

You understand wrong MargaritaPie but that's no surprise.

Still not discussing the actual content of the article, I see MargaritaPie?

So far I've been told on this thread that I shouldn't read anything published by the Mail, and that I should never use the word terf.

Well...um...No.

I can read the Mail and form my own judgement, thanks. And if black people can use the n-word, I'd love an explanation about why radical feminists can't use terf.

It's just another bloody squirrel. Or someone being implausibly obtuse.

So you are inventing a link that doesn't exist as after all many biology believers aren't even feminists and the violence towards trans people thats the real transphobia is perpetrated predominantly by men who aren't terfs either...

I mean that's a bit far fetched don't ya think

Oh, we can't use it coz terf = transphobe?

Nah, you're not understanding.

The two are not the same.

My understanding is TRF and transphobic are basically interchangeable.*

Your understanding is often wrong as consistently proven on thread after thread.

You rely on trope time and time again in your feeble and ludicrous attempts to ‘gotcha’. You truly are resilient on your belief that you are righteous pie, however I suspect it is driven by just the opposite.

www.theguardian.com/media/2019/jan/23/dont-trust-daily-mail-website-microsoft-browser-warns-users

The Daily Mail isn't my choice.

"if black people can use the n-word, I'd love an explanation about why radical feminists can't use terf"

That analogy doesn't work. It's like saying we need an explanation about "why homophobics can't use the word homophobic".

And as I said on another thread being feminist doesn't mean Gender Critical. Emma Watson is an example off the top of my head, she's a feminist who does a lot to help women but is also not GC and supports trans-people.

And yet, the word transphobic is applied to everything these days. Science included.

It is meaningless now due to overuse.

@MargaritaPie And once again, what are your thoughts about the article?

Do you have a source that isn't the Daily Mail?

“threats are uncalled for”. Never ever add a BUT here because what you are really saying is “apart from threats to these people”. What do you think of the trans person that’s “going on a terf hunt” with their pink and blue gun, the one they made on the 3D printers at university?

Yes look on their Twitter account.

@MargaritaPie

Yes threats are uncalled for.

But are we going to ignore the fact they are selling items with "T*RF" on them as if transphobia is "cool" and something to be glamorised and normalised?

Would T-shirts and mugs with "homophobic" on them be acceptable?

You're still missing the point. Does it really need to be explained again?

Not including males in a moment for females doesn't mean we don't support them in anything at all.ever.

You wouldn't be suggesting that the role of women is to support and centre males at all times would you?

Feminism.includes fighting for the rights of women and females howler they identify whether they feel they need the rights right now or not. That includes trans men btw. So God is feminism.trabs exclusionary?

And what are you doing to ensure men and males are not dangerous and transphobc towards other males regardless of how they identify? Do you ku just tell women their boundaries are hateful or are you working with men to male spaces safe fir all.males ?

@MargaritaPie

Do you have a source that isn't the Daily Mail?

Isn't there a regulatory body you can report to if you think there has been bad reporting ?

@MargaritaPie

Do you have a source that isn't the Daily Mail?

I shouldn't be too startled but are there forum users who don't understand how to formulate a decent search engine enquiry?

I wonder how difficult that must make day-to-day activities.

If you're refusing to discuss a DM article, @MargaritaPie, then why are you on this thread?

Emma Watson is an example off the top of my head, she's a feminist who does a lot to help women but is also not GC and supports trans-people.

Hilarious, Emma Watson may identify as a feminist but she sure as hell isn't one.

Feminism is for females, it is about females, it does not include males however they identify or however nice they may be, I know that's a difficult concept for you to grasp.

The analogy is spot on.
The n-word is a slur. It is a term used to insult and demean, rather than just describe.
So is terf.

As for feminism... Honestly, I'm not sure if you lack the capacity to understand or are so convinced of your virtue that you can't get your head around another POV, but feminism is about women. That is, the old fashioned XX type. The type repressed and abused for millennia because (get this) they are the ones who have the babies which puts them at a massive physical disadvantage.

Women, due to their biology, were shat on from a great height for centuries. Men wanted to control reproduction, so they needed to control women. They were, on average, significantly bigger and stronger (this is because of a hormone called testosterone, which you may have heard of), so they were well able to control the baby-makers, and in many places they still do. Women got a bit sick of not being able to own proper, or vote, or earn the same as men for the same work, hence feminism. Hence the rejection of gender roles and stereotypes, which just serves to keep us in our (very unequal) place.

Feminism, the sort I ascribe to, is about women, not people who were once men. It's about the rejection of gender, while at the same time acknowledging that there are real differences between men and women. Trans rights are not the same as feminism. I can believe that feminism is about actual, natal women, and still be 100% in favour of trans people having the same rights that we all have, provided (and this is the kicker) that doesn't result in women being, yet again, shat on from a great height, and losing oh, dunno, the right to be safe if incarcerated, or to compete fairly in sports.

I hope that's clear.