People behind Wild Womyn Workshop receive death threats

[Needmoresleep]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10272223/Lesbian-businesswoman-designs-feminist-t-shirts-worn-J-K-Rowling-receives-death-threats.html

This is not acceptable. I like that the DM includes a link to their website at the end of the article. Not sure the DM readership is their target market, but a nice touch.

Go witches go...

Marginalised groups have a history of taking the slurs used against them and repurposing them as an act of defiance. Various words I wouldn't use for various groups could be given as examples, but I don't use them because I'm not part of those groups - and they are generally considered so offensive anyone using them here runs the risk of being deleted.

The difference between a white person using the 'n' word and a black person doing the same.

Any comments to make as to the actual content if the article @MargaritaPie? Any feelings about the acceptability of death threats?

@MargaritaPie

They have merchandise (T-shirts and other) with the word "T*RF" on them.

If JK Rowling claims she isn't transphobic, why is she advertising a company which is openly transphobic. Because that's essentially what T*RF means.

I think you've missed the point there.

I think Marge misses points left, right and centre.

Being that obtuse takes a lot of effort.

If the lay of the land is that I am aligned with the DM in being against death threats against small businesswomen from spineless Internet bullies, then I’m pretty comfortable with that. You’d have to ask yourself who wouldn’t be, really

@MargaritaPie

They have merchandise (T-shirts and other) with the word "T*RF" on them.

If JK Rowling claims she isn't transphobic, why is she advertising a company which is openly transphobic. Because that's essentially what T*RF means.

Wanting to exclude males from female spaces isn't transphobia. It's common sense.

Aside from that, do you think it's ok for people to be sending her death threats? Will you actually bother to answer? Probably not, you rarely do when the questions don't suit your agenda.

Just reflecting on the predictable responses of a commenter who doesn't show any evidence of pausing to reflect upon the many responses they've gathered over their episodic engagement on this issue on FWR.

Aside from the usual Bunbury considerations, it might be useful to reflect upon the issues of trust v. trustworthiness and how someone demonstrates the latter through learning and adapting attitudes when evidence is available that conflicts with their world view. Onora O'Neill's TED talk is useful.

Oh dear. Is no-one taking being accused of being "right wing" or a "TERF" seriously any more? Goodness! I wonder why that might be.

@WomaninBoots

Oh dear. Is no-one taking being accused of being "right wing" or a "TERF" seriously any more? Goodness! I wonder why that might be.

It's almost as if this is the logical outcome of denying that words should have shared meanings.

Perhaps women aren't to be tolerated when they demonstrate indifference or resilience to the bad faith categorisation from those who don't think we should have autonomy or rights.

However did this come about?

@MargaritaPie

They have merchandise (T-shirts and other) with the word "T*RF" on them.

If JK Rowling claims she isn't transphobic, why is she advertising a company which is openly transphobic. Because that's essentially what T*RF means.

You're right mPIE burn the witches.

Oh yeah thats exactly what the people stalking Angela Wild were threatening.

The more things change, the more things stay the same.

I think you've missed the point there.

Hmm, I think it's one of two options with that poster:

1. The point wasn't just missed it sailed straight over their head and is currently orbiting Saturn.

1. Poster is doing their usual faux innocence disingenuous act, thinking we are all stupid enough to be taken in by it.

Could be a combination of both I suppose, but I'm favouring option (2).

@VestofAbsurdity

I think you've missed the point there.

Hmm, I think it's one of two options with that poster:

1. The point wasn't just missed it sailed straight over their head and is currently orbiting Saturn.

1. Poster is doing their usual faux innocence disingenuous act, thinking we are all stupid enough to be taken in by it.

Could be a combination of both I suppose, but I'm favouring option (2).

1. Not posting for readers on this board but for use elsewhere?

See www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3438714-Bunbury-s-Public-Service-Announcement-2

Good point Embarrassing, I do feel a bit grey today.

Wonder why they've stopped taking comments!

MargaritaPie asks Are the Daily Mail Gender Critical? Every article they make on the topic is always in support of Gender Critical. So are almost all the comments.

Yes indeed, the Daily Mail, which is a generally conservative newspaper, holds the same view of reality as about 99% of the population. I've heard the DM also believes that Monday is the day after Sunday, and that humans can't breathe unaided under water.

For anyone who didn't pick this up, we are meant to run around screaming "Oh no, I believe the same as the Daily Mail, which is the source of all evil! I must delete these evil thoughts!"

But MargaritaPie, the time has long passed when women automatically deferred to men's superior wisdom and did what we were told.

There's one poster on this thread who just deserves a shout of 'SQUIRREL!' and nothing else.

To return to the substance of the thread... It really comes to something when the Mail, of all papers, runs an article supportive of a French (I think) lesbian, while the supposedly liberal press is completely silent.

I feel incredibly betrayed by the Left and centre, who have been ignoring reality to score woke points.

To return to the substance of the thread... It really comes to something when the Mail, of all papers, runs an article supportive of a French (I think) lesbian, while the supposedly liberal press is completely silent.

Indeed, a conservative paper championing the rights of a French lesbian woman to speak her mind and not be hounded by an intolerant, hate filled mob determined to shut her up, frighten her and her family and destroy her livelihood and the oh so tolerant, liberal, human rights championing papers and ideologues are where? Oh that's right they are the ones complicit in trying to silence her and shut her down.

Oh dear… fawning to the daily mail… a new mn low

I remember a time when we didn’t share daily fail links here

You’d think it would make people stop and think about the kind of people on their team but cognitive dissonance can jump any canyon

Did pie miss that recent interview with Nancy Kelley on a Quatar sponsored media…. One that did not raise the issue of the Stonewall’s concerns about the laws on homosexual relationships in that country.

I think they have missed the fact that it is now very hypocritical to use that ‘look at who that media is aligned with’ crap against feminists now.

Get up to date pie. You are behind the times.

Some posters, what do you read and why?

Genuinely curious.

@Needmoresleep

Some posters, what do you read and why?

Genuinely curious.

Clearly they've never been on AIBU. That's at least 82% Daily Mail links. Usually by people who never read it.

Same goes for any posters and plopping down posts with the intent to shame posters into silence.

We can only assume that they are supportative of those issuing the threats since they have not focused on the topic just attacking the media who reported it.

I remember a time when we didn’t share daily fail links here

I remember a time when people didn't think men could be women. I also remember a time when people understand the principles of safeguarding. How times change...

I agree you need to take a long hard look at the people on your team and who you are allying yourself with Someposters, I'd certainly be giving them a wide berth.

So what about the daily mail. Everyone here is surely capable of reading a range of sources and forming theor own opinions and gathering the relevant facts?

I'll read anything from the mail to pink news. " Know your enemy" and all that.

If everyone waited fir the right source at the right time by the right person at midnight on a full moon buying a potato , we'd all have a very long wait.

Anyway back to thr point of the thread.

These threats don't realky give the impression of an oppressed marginalised group now do they . Some people may want to re consider their approach to avoid coming across as nothing more than an entitled bully.

Funny how rape threats are ok but "mis gendering" isn't. Wonder who that benefits.....

I light have to place another order in solidarity

I was wondering whether Someposters would include Al Jazeera amongst their media sources

I genuinely used to read both the Guardian and the Mail online. Both free and a chance to work out which of two possible conflicting views were closest to mine. (Oddly back in the day the Mail would regularly reprint Guardian articles particularly those on women and social issues.)

Then something went wrong with the Guardian. It became preachy and irritating, as if they owned the truth. I still feel free to disagree with stuff in the Mail and there is plenty of content I skip. I should pay for a subscription to the Times to replace the Guardian. Hence my interest in how Somepeople obtains a balanced access to news.