Kellie Jay on Talk Radio with James Max

[Mollyollydolly]

Worth a watch. How much do men hate women who say 'no'. When speaking the truth is a revolutionary act.

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@Floisme

I'm sure there's someone out there who was born in my body. Was it one of you fuckers?

It was me, sorry. I've proper fucked it up to 🤣

She was fab - and he came over as a weapons grade prat. Tis always the way - sneering, hostile and speaking complete nonsense while being so certain of how right he was

You bastard.

Sorry not you Goats I mean that body snatcher TheWeeDonkey

@Floisme

Sorry not you Goats I mean that body snatcher TheWeeDonkey

🤣🤣🤣

Listened earlier.

The bloke was playing Straight out of the Misogynist’s Strawman almanac.

@Whatthechicken

I’m sure many of us have met men like this in our working lives. They usually show up to work/board meetings full of their own arrogance, misogyny and very little of anything substantive. I had the pleasure of working with such a man. He did no prep for meetings, no research, never completed his actions from the previous meetings - he’d just try to belittle the work I’d done and then when he could see I was passionate about something - he’d tell me to ‘calm down’ in front of the board. When they can’t compete or match, they pick faults, they bully, they talk over, they insult. Fuckers always get found out in the end though. That presentation that blew everyone away in 1998 - can only be dined out on for so long.

Spot on.

And bloody well done KJ if you're reading thank you!

I think talk radio should cancel James and give his job to Kelly Jay. Only joking not

@Floisme

Sorry not you Goats I mean that body snatcher TheWeeDonkey

@GoatsAndBarley

I think talk radio should cancel James and give his job to Kelly Jay. Only joking not

I was actually thinking the same thing

Slightly at a tangent but why is KJ sometimes PP? Obviously not for anonymity. I'm just curious as I hadn't heard of her before I joined MN and found her critique of SGreen's TED talk very interesting.

WOMEN!

KNOW YOUR LIMITS!

www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=LS37SNYjg8w

His position was ridiculous and he didn't have a leg to stand on, and the interview showed it clearly.

But the worrying, and astonishing, thing is that this is what a great many under-informed and misled people think. Not necessarily stupid people either. And they can be very well-meaning. They think this because despite the detail of wherever the latest twitter arguments and definitions are at, the "born in the wrong body"/"poor sad persecuted trans person who has a male body but is [somehow] actually a woman" has been hammered into our collective consciousness for a long time now - not just the past few years. i thought this myself in a vague kind of way until the demands became more overreaching and it started being a big thing for kids, and I started thinking it through logically and looking for actual evidence.

This is why so many teachers, parents and general allies think they are just being nice and anyone who questions it is a nasty meanie.

Speaking the truth is shocking to these people because so many have sleepwalked into accepting total meaningless nonsense as fact.

@Mochudubh

Slightly at a tangent but why is KJ sometimes PP? Obviously not for anonymity. I'm just curious as I hadn't heard of her before I joined MN and found her critique of SGreen's TED talk very interesting.

Can't remember when Posie Parker became Kellie-Jay Keen, but I do wonder whether it was a bit to do leading by example and using her real name rather than a pseudonym to try to encourage others to do the same if they were able.

Or maybe because it became common knowledge that PP was KJK? Her piece in The Spectator recently was as PP though if I recall correctly.

(And yes as PPs say, one reason so many men absolutely run with this is that it gives them carte blanche to dismiss what feminists think and discount women's experiences, and tell women off for not being nice.)

KJKM is bloody marvellous! God, I wish she could bottle and sell that clarity and unswerving confidence.

Nice to see lots of people in the comments saying they've never heard of her but she's an instant hero to them

Let's hope the head girls appreciate what she's done here.

Kellie-Jay is absolutely fantastic.
The ratio on Twitter is a joy and some brillant comments.

I love her. She's so strong and inspiring.

I couldn't believe my ears. He said it was a medical fact that you could be born in someone else's body, equated women's need for single sex changing rooms with all-male golf clubs and he's still huffing and puffing away on twitter. I honestly didn't know it was possible to be this stupid.

But people are being told this as if it's a medical fact, via stonewall "training" of so many organisations, it's coming from school, the police, even as he said some doctors.

I'm not defending him, but I think we need to understand that thinking this way is very common because people are being told to think this way. That is exactly why parents are willingly encouraging their kids to be subjected to such appalling harms. Because they think this is true and so that's what they need.

@JulesJules

I couldn't believe my ears. He said it was a medical fact that you could be born in someone else's body, equated women's need for single sex changing rooms with all-male golf clubs and he's still huffing and puffing away on twitter. I honestly didn't know it was possible to be this stupid.

He only voiced the accepted views of all that cleave to the TWAW mantra.

His crib sheets were of no use, were they?

All the new speak teaching in the world, MrsM can't overcome a strong woman laughing and saying no.

What seemed to throw him most was she only said no. She didn't try to explain in depth or to counter every point. She just laughed and said no!

He’s retweeted someone who said:
“Given the unfathomable complexity of the human machine (and our relative ignorance of it) I have zero problem imagining a condition where someone 'feels' they are one sex while their body displays another. “

What does this MEAN, though? How is it possible to “feel” like one sex when your body is another? The entire thing rests on this crazy proposition that ones sex is a feeling. The only reason this view continues to be popular is because of the sexist assumption that women have different minds, brains and thoughts.

I also find it fascinating that the public discourse is stuck on this quite old fashioned view that trans people are stuck in the wrong bodies. It was good of Pp to point out that in fact most transwomen do not alter their bodies. The public debate is seriously lagging behind.

I have no doubt that some people do feel as if they are the opposite sex to their body. The problem is when wider society decides that this feeling in a man's head is what a woman actually is, and that it is more important to pander to men with this feeling than to address the needs of actual women.

And IW has firmly stepped into that alternative universe in order to make some comments.

Such homophobia... Apparently when Posie said that it is accepted by some that being gay can be innate or a choice she was being homophobic. Given that the research she quoted included first hand reports from gay people who chose to be gay later in life I'd definitely say it is IW being homophobic. Ignoring the words of gay people explaining their own experience, feelings, sexual orientation.

And as I too know some gay people who were happily straight until they met A N Other and decided not to ignore their feelings I wouldn't dream of telling them they were always gay/ bi / in denial!