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Maya Forstater wins case against Scout Association over “misgendering”

104 replies

AnneLovesGilbert · 19/12/2021 11:33

Can’t see another thread on this.

unherd.com/thepost/maya-forstater-wins-case-against-scout-association-over-misgendering/

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DialSquare · 19/12/2021 14:06

[quote ArabellaScott]And ... they's resigned:

twitter.com/grogipher/status/1472562925340606469[/quote]
Result!

VestofAbsurdity · 19/12/2021 14:26

[quote ArabellaScott]And ... they's resigned:

twitter.com/grogipher/status/1472562925340606469[/quote]
and they is not okay, quick pass me the biggest box of tissues you can find to wipe away my tears....of laughter.

nauticant · 19/12/2021 14:33

It's not over yet:

twitter.com/MForstater/status/1472539318744981508

This is a cultural and organisational policy that @scouts must face up to -- it is not just one man in Dundee

VestofAbsurdity · 19/12/2021 14:39

This is a cultural and organisational policy that @scouts must face up to -- it is not just one man in Dundee

Yes they must. Clear and unambiguous policy, rules and practices and absolute transparency are the only way to ensure safeguarding of children. The Scout Association stated as much when they were called to account for their failings which resulted in a hideously high number of children abused by Scout Leaders, that they then rowed back due to gender ideology is shameful. Children and their safety should not be used as pawns, do they want yet another scandal regarding their safeguarding failures?

highame · 19/12/2021 14:42

Excellent. She still has a case with CGD doesn't she?

PronounssheRa · 19/12/2021 14:56

[quote ArabellaScott]And ... they's resigned:

twitter.com/grogipher/status/1472562925340606469[/quote]
Oh dear what a shame, never mind.

It's about time this person's bullying and abusive behaviour was called out.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 19/12/2021 14:57

Wonderful news to brighten a grey day. Well done Maya.

ArabellaScott · 19/12/2021 15:05

hiyamaya.net/2021/12/19/the-scout-association-has-apologised-now-can-they-face-up-to-their-problem/

Account here from Maya, where she asks people not to engage with Gregor on social media, and to write to the Scouts to ask them about their safeguarding .

She's quite correct; this isn't about one person, it's about institutional structure and failures.

VestofAbsurdity · 19/12/2021 15:09

Engaging with Murray on Twitter or any other social media will do no-one any good, very nasty, spiteful individual, has a record that speaks for itself.

Datun · 19/12/2021 15:15

She's quite correct; this isn't about one person, it's about institutional structure and failures.

Yes, it is. And now the spotlight is on the scouts and the guides. They must be held accountable for their policies.

Triphazards · 19/12/2021 15:16

[quote ArabellaScott]And ... they's resigned:

twitter.com/grogipher/status/1472562925340606469[/quote]
They's didn't look ideally suited to lead Scouts.

ErrolTheDragon · 19/12/2021 15:20

@ArabellaScott

hiyamaya.net/2021/12/19/the-scout-association-has-apologised-now-can-they-face-up-to-their-problem/

Account here from Maya, where she asks people not to engage with Gregor on social media, and to write to the Scouts to ask them about their safeguarding .

She's quite correct; this isn't about one person, it's about institutional structure and failures.

Good advice.
Maya Forstater wins case against Scout Association over “misgendering”
MrsFionaCharming · 19/12/2021 15:22

Murray has posted about this in the largest Scouting Facebook group, claiming the TSA are transphobic and quitting.

All the responses are pointing out that Murray has completely ignored their own sexism and homophobia.

It’s a big change around from the kind of responses it would have got a year or 2 ago.

Rightsraptor · 19/12/2021 15:29

The Scouts didn't consider Maya's evidence at the time, this led (to some extent) to her losing in the original tribunal, we crowdfunded how much for that case and the appeal? And now this acknowledgment so late in the day that the SA did not do as they should have.

Are we sure those Rev Gregor Fisher Murray (whatever) tweets are genuine? They read like parody. They's a ridiculous individual

VestofAbsurdity · 19/12/2021 15:35

@MrsFionaCharming

Murray has posted about this in the largest Scouting Facebook group, claiming the TSA are transphobic and quitting.

All the responses are pointing out that Murray has completely ignored their own sexism and homophobia.

It’s a big change around from the kind of responses it would have got a year or 2 ago.

That's quite the turnaround and good to hear.
RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 19/12/2021 15:44

Well done @MForstater once again. You have my sincere thanks for all you do, and my appreciation for your phenomenal courage and determination.

I hope you are getting great support from those around you as this must all take such a toll on you. As you’ve said, the process is the punishment.

And next to you, a human being of such integrity and courage, what a sorry spectacle Murray makes. That was a classic “but I’m the victim here” DARVO on Murray’s twitter.

It’s incredible that the Scouts felt no need to investigate this individual’s online behaviour when it was first brought to their attention - how is it that such rank misogyny went completely unchallenged? How is it there was no complaint against this Scout Leader for using language to and about women that cannot possibly tally with the Scouting ethos or social media guidelines? This person should not now be in a position to resign because this person should have been held to account long ago.

Perhaps the Scouts are now waking up and will take their duty to act without fear or favour vis a vis all the protected characteristics, including sex, sexual orientation and belief, more seriously from now on, as they have said they will do. I certainly hope so.

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 19/12/2021 15:45

@MrsFionaCharming

Murray has posted about this in the largest Scouting Facebook group, claiming the TSA are transphobic and quitting.

All the responses are pointing out that Murray has completely ignored their own sexism and homophobia.

It’s a big change around from the kind of responses it would have got a year or 2 ago.

Very good news!
VestofAbsurdity · 19/12/2021 16:33

Oh dear, Murray is very, very upset by the reaction from other Scout Leaders to his whinge, he's not getting the support he anticipated and I think a lot of that is down to Maya and her case, people are now far less backward in coming forward as they feel the sting has been removed from the TRA tail.

I hope this signals an end to their sacred caste status.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 19/12/2021 16:47

Is Gregor Murray really a rev?

MrsFionaCharming · 19/12/2021 16:54

The Facebook thread has been deleted, guess it wasn’t going the way Murray wanted 😂

TurquoiseBaubles · 19/12/2021 17:19

Considering how important Gregor considers Gregor to be, there is very little interaction on any tweets - as far as I can see none get more than a dozen likes.

Scraggythang · 19/12/2021 17:59

Now that’s a disobedient woman ❤️

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/12/2021 18:16

Thank you for posting the link ArabellaScott. Fascinating to see it all laid out. The level of persistence Maya needed to reverse the removal of safeguarding for girls is unbelievable.

The Scouts have an appalling historical record of hosting adults who abused children. Their subsequent rigorous attention to putting that right was great. To see them rowing back on safeguarding in order to pander to this specific group is awful.

Shedmistress · 19/12/2021 18:20

Two years.

TWO YEARS.

To investigate calling a man 'he'.

I mean, one day this will be looked back on and people will say 'what the [redacted] fuck were you thinking'?

Two years.

Datun · 19/12/2021 18:24

@MrsFionaCharming

The Facebook thread has been deleted, guess it wasn’t going the way Murray wanted 😂
People like Murray are losing their power. Maya's judgement has seen to that.
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